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01-10-2013, 07:00 PM
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Burke's team in Anaheim was already built for him

I could have won a cup as a GM of that team too.

so I'm not sure what your point is?
Come on man. Credit where credit is due. Burke added a lot of valuable pieces to that team. Winning the cup is no easy task.

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01-10-2013, 07:01 PM
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To be fair, good goaltending is overrated. The most fun I've had watching hockey since I was 8 or 9 years old was the Philly-Pittsburgh series last year.
Goaltending is over-rated if you are strong down the middle (and in other areas).

Pittsburgh had Crosby, Malkin, Staal
Philly had Giroux, Briere, Couturier, Schenn

Since the lockout, virtually every cup champ had 1-2 (or 3) punch down the middle that was good, if not great (anaheim maybe being the exception, but McDonald and Getzlaf were pretty good that year). On the flipside, those cup champs didn't always have an elite goalie.

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The Vancouver fans will be asking for Henrique+Larsson in no time
Those are actually quality prospects.

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+/- may be a bit overrated, but when we're talking -33 it tells you a little something...
Look at the whole teams plus minus

Brad Richards was -27 in 2008 but everyone wanted to sign him..

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Goaltending is over-rated if you are strong down the middle (and in other areas).

Pittsburgh had Crosby, Malkin, Staal
Philly had Giroux, Briere, Couturier, Schenn

Since the lockout, virtually every cup champ had 1-2 (or 3) punch down the middle that was good, if not great (anaheim maybe being the exception, but McDonald and Getzlaf were pretty good that year). On the flipside, those cup champs didn't always have an elite goalie.
Krejci-Bergeron is nothing special, comparatively. Thomas on the other hand...

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Come on man. Credit where credit is due. Burke added a lot of valuable pieces to that team. Winning the cup is no easy task.
He didn't have to add the goalie, he's proven he can add other pieces but NEVER the goalie.

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I saw Luongo vs LA as a prime example of the opposite.
I'm confused. Are you saying Luongo played badly against the Kings in the first round last playoffs?

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I see where you're going but Lupul, Phaneuf and Kessel (especially Kessel) are still pretty young.

Again, I would love to get Luongo. Solid goaltending would be a wonderful step in the right direction but it has to make sense.

Gillis' asking price is the problem and that is because of Toronto's situation combined with Luongo's contract vs. age.

I'd be happy with them moving pieces, just so long as those pieces make sense. Gillis' rumoured asking price, IMO, doesn't make sense for Toronto.
For sure it has to make sense. For me, if the Canucks were in this situation, I would trade Edler for Luongo and his contract. Personally, I think Edler is better than Gardiner, but I could be wrong. Either way, it's much easier to plug holes on your blue line than it is in net, and the blue line isn't a glaring weakness for Toronto.

As another Canuck fan pointed out, if Burke had have traded an Ohlund level player years ago for a proper goalie fix, the Canucks would have been much more likely to have had some post season success instead of complete failure that we got to live through.

That said, I don't actually know what Gillis is after ... there is so many different things floating around. I personally don't want anything to do with Bozak though ... but that's just me.

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Those are actually quality prospects.
And you'd be dreaming if you think Luongo could even fetch one of Larsson's skates.

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Hearing from who...the voices in your head?
No the nice man in the padded room told him

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I saw Luongo vs LA as a prime example of the opposite.
Luongo was probably out best player against the kings.

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I'm confused. Are you saying Luongo played badly against the Kings in the first round last playoffs?
Sure. It's the only reason you guys beat us. We were all over you. Bloody Luongo!
The guy couldn't score a goal if his life depended on it.

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I'm confused. Are you saying Luongo played badly against the Kings in the first round last playoffs?
He didn't play bad per say, but he wasn't some super elite goalie like Vancouver fans would like you to believe.

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I don't think any GMs should give up their 1st this year. Tremendous talent in the draft even late into the 1st round.
One option would be to trade first round picks and say add a third from the Leafs... on top of whatever player it is that is being targeted. That way the Leafs still retain a first round pick.

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Luongo was probably out best player against the kings.
2nd best. The best player is the reason he's now available.

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Luongo was probably out best player against the kings.
Except Schneider played better.

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Krejci-Bergeron is nothing special, comparatively. Thomas on the other hand...
Krejci-Bergeron weren't at the level of other 1-2 centers, but still damn good, and still much better than Toronto has right now.

Look at the others though.

Brindy, E.Staal, D. Weight
McDonald (who had 78 points that year), Getzlaf
Zetterburg, Datsyuk
Crosby, Malkin, Staal
Toews, Sharp
Kopitar, Richards, Stoll (plus Carter)

1 or 2 of those teams also had elite goaltenders, but most of them didn't.

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I suppose I'm a little confused about your "rebuttal question". This is a team that finished 5th last, last year. If you think of Jake Gardiner as a "building block" and we know Nonis does, no, I do not think it's a great idea to move him for a 34 year old goaltender. Luongo in my eyes guarantees Toronto a playoff spot but not a lot more. It'd mean they have Phaneuf, Komisarek, Liles, Gunnarsson, and an 18 year old Rielly moving forward in front of him. And still no 1st line C, and nothing to acquire one with.
There is a whole season of trading possibilities ahead and even though Toronto ended up 5th last, they were actually doing fairly well until a monumental collapse. With a little more stability last year, Toronto should have made the playoffs. Looking at Phoenix's roster last year, does it impress you or do they play a great system with great goaltending? Carlyle is capable if coaching the Leafs the same way.

Ohlund at 24 was easily comparable to Gardiner and I would trade for a 33 year old Luongo if that option was available back then. The value if a top end goalie cannot be overstated.

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- Pahlsson isn't on the team
- You forgot Schroeder
- Higgins can play center
- You pulled that 6 week figure out of your ass. No one knows when he'll be back. He skated today and apparently looked pretty good.
The six week figure was based on reports from December saying the time table for the return was months.

Higgins or Schroeder will not be your #2 Centre. You'll be trading Luongo or signing a vet like Arnott as a stop gap.

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For sure it has to make sense. For me, if the Canucks were in this situation, I would trade Edler for Luongo and his contract. Personally, I think Edler is better than Gardiner, but I could be wrong. Either way, it's much easier to plug holes on your blue line than it is in net, and the blue line isn't a glaring weakness for Toronto.

As another Canuck fan pointed out, if Burke had have traded an Ohlund level player years ago for a proper goalie fix, the Canucks would have been much more likely to have had some post season success instead of complete failure that we got to live through.

That said, I don't actually know what Gillis is after ... there is so many different things floating around. I personally don't want anything to do with Bozak though ... but that's just me.
Phaneuf, Liles, Gunnarsson, Komisarek, Franson, Kostka, Rielly (18)

Without Gardiner, whole lot more question marks.

And would still missing that elusive #1C.

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That contract is brutal, leafs should not give up much. If Luongo is so incredible the canucks should keep him.

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Luongo was probably out best player against the kings.
Noon is buying that. Luongo played 2 games and got yanked. He was pretty good the first game, but awful in the second.

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That contract is brutal, leafs should not give up much. If Luongo is so incredible the canucks should keep him.
Difficulty following the situation I see.

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Ohlund at 24 was easily comparable to Gardiner and I would trade for a 33 year old Luongo if that option was available back then. The value if a top end goalie cannot be overstated.
I honestly feel at this point that you're just blindly arguing.

If the Canucks had no #1C, Edler, one prospect like Rielly, no goaltender and a defense that looks like ours after the trade, there's no way you'd trade Edler for a 34 year old goalie, even if he was great. You still need a way to compete after you get that great goaltender. Juice isn't worth the squeeze.

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