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01-10-2013, 07:18 PM
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3way:

To TOR:
Huberdeau
Markstrom
Kassian

To FLA:
Luongo
Kessel

To VAN:
MacArthur
Reimer
Bozak


Vancouver gets the three worst pieces in the deal by a significant margin.

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01-10-2013, 07:18 PM
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With Philly though, you have your strong core, adding a complimentary piece to take you to the next level. Giroux with a sniper like Kessel would be unreal.


That is very true. But the brass are very very high on Sean. When he matures into a man he could be a beast. Hey by the way. I wish you guys the best with JVR. The trade might be the best thing to happen to him.

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01-10-2013, 07:19 PM
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The Flyers don't need more offense. They need more defense. Poor asset management.

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I"d want more...

couturier, voracek, 1st


that would get me listening.

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01-10-2013, 07:21 PM
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Vancouver gets the three worst pieces in the deal by a significant margin.
And they only give up Luongo and Kassian.

In MacArthur they get a 20 goal winger. Bozak slots in as a 3rd line center. Reimer backs up Schneider. That's the kind of depth that wins in the playoffs.

Put it this way, who makes a bigger impact this season in the playoffs for the Nucks:

Luongo & Kassian

or

MacArthur, Bozak, & Reimer?

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01-10-2013, 07:22 PM
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I"d want more...

couturier, voracek, 1st


that would get me listening.
That's insane value for 1.5 seasons of a player. Is there even a precedent for moves like that?

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01-10-2013, 07:22 PM
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I"d want more...

couturier, voracek, 1st


that would get me listening.
Thanks you. That's what I said.

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01-10-2013, 07:23 PM
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Vancouver gets the three worst pieces in the deal by a significant margin.
Well to be fair they also give the less valued package. But yeah Vancouver does get stiffed pretty hard.

Leafs give up
Kessel
MacArthur
Reimer
Bozak

And get 3 unknowns. Not sure Id do it as a leaf fan either.

Panthers walk away like bandits.

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01-10-2013, 07:24 PM
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And they only give up Luongo and Kassian.

In MacArthur they get a 20 goal winger. Bozak slots in as a 3rd line center. Reimer backs up Schneider. That's the kind of depth that wins in the playoffs.

Put it this way, who makes a bigger impact this season in the playoffs for the Nucks:

Luongo & Kassian

or

MacArthur, Bozak, & Reimer?
I can't tell if you're being serious or not. I would laugh if that package were offered for Kassian or Luongo alone.

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01-10-2013, 07:25 PM
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That's insane value for 1.5 seasons of a player. Is there even a precedent for moves like that?
I agree with ^

aka, I agree with a Sens fan and disagree with the three-four leaf fans.

Kessel is an excellent sniper, but with 1.5 years left he might not have the highest value right now, and getting a potential #1C and a pick I think makes a lot of sense.

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01-10-2013, 07:26 PM
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3way:

To TOR:
Huberdeau
Markstrom
Kassian

To FLA:
Luongo
Kessel

To VAN:
MacArthur
Reimer
Bozak
So the Leafs deal a top NHL offensive player, a young goalie with realistic #1 potential, and 2 fringe 2nd liners for a top C prospect, a top G prospect and a young fringe 2nd liner..... basically same players just younger with questions marks surrounding them.

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01-10-2013, 07:26 PM
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I can't tell if you're being serious or not. I would laugh if that package were offered for Kassian or Luongo alone.
You mean a pair of pending UFA 2nd-3rd liners and a backup goalie doesn't turn your crank?

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01-10-2013, 07:29 PM
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I agree with ^

aka, I agree with a Sens fan and disagree with the three-four leaf fans.

Kessel is an excellent sniper, but with 1.5 years left he might not have the highest value right now, and getting a potential #1C and a pick I think makes a lot of sense.
I think you're barking up the wrong tree with Philly. He just isn't a great fit there. IMO getting max value for him will require a team for which goalscoring is a huge weakness, and who can realistically get an extension done if given a window.

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01-10-2013, 07:34 PM
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i don't even like either team, but man do the Leafs get the shaft here.

Philly adds SIGNIFICANTLY more before the Leafs even give this one any thought.
Coming from a pens fan this will not be taken serious . As an Oiler fan i would not do this trade . I rather have a young 2 way center that is under control for the next 6 years then a soft winger that a UFA in a year and a half

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If we can't aquire a centre to play with Phil than I would definatnly consider something along these lines... We need that number 1 guy and phil may be the only asset worthy. But the flyers adding Kessel is a lot more value than the leafs adding a sophomore with high potential. Giroux - Kessel would be something to watch. I'd want Voracek coming with him, with Macarthur going the other way.

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01-10-2013, 07:43 PM
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I"d want more...

couturier, voracek, 1st


that would get me listening.
Kessel will be very happy as a Leaf then.

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01-10-2013, 07:47 PM
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I want Couts, Read, and then add some more value.

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01-10-2013, 07:51 PM
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3way:

To TOR:
Huberdeau
Markstrom
Kassian

To FLA:
Luongo
Kessel

To VAN:
MacArthur
Reimer
Bozak
now i would be in favour of this. but scrivens instead of reimer cause we would need someone to play this season (markstrom and reimer split)

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01-10-2013, 07:53 PM
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The Flyers need a #1 dman, not a #1 winger.

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01-10-2013, 08:02 PM
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No thanks. Flyers don't need to score any more goals. Flyers need defense, trading away their best defensive forward is counter productive just to add to an area where we clearly don't need help. Value may be fine or not in the eyes of Toronto fans but I don't think you'll find a Flyers fan that would be ok with this at all.

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01-10-2013, 08:05 PM
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3way:

To TOR:
Huberdeau
Markstrom
Kassian

To FLA:
Luongo
Kessel

To VAN:
MacArthur
Reimer
Bozak
I'm a Leafs fan and honestly, those are pretty crappy pieces going to Vancouver compared to what the other teams are getting. I don't even think Florida would entertain a Markstrom/Luongo swap.

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01-10-2013, 08:11 PM
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I'm a Leafs fan and honestly, those are pretty crappy pieces going to Vancouver compared to what the other teams are getting. I don't even think Florida would entertain a Markstrom/Luongo swap.
They give up the weakest package however (Lou & Kassian)

With Luongo and Kessel, Florida makes some playoff noise.

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01-10-2013, 08:13 PM
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They give up the weakest package however (Lou & Kassian)
To Boston:
Read
PHI 3rd

To Pittsburgh:

Seguin
Giroux


To Philadelphia:
Crosby

(exaggerated to make a point)

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To Boston:
Read
PHI 3rd

To Pittsburgh:

Seguin
Giroux


To Philadelphia:
Crosby

(exaggerated to make a point)
Who is Vancouvers "Seguin" in my proposal? Luongo? We value Luongo differently I guess

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01-10-2013, 08:20 PM
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Who is Vancouvers "Seguin" in my proposal? Luongo? We value Luongo differently I guess
So you didn't read the bottom part?

And Crosby >>> Kessel
Giroux >>>> Huberdeau

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