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01-10-2013, 08:41 PM
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Bishop, Michalek (with an extension window) Zibanejad?
ew no, thats gross.

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01-10-2013, 08:46 PM
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ew no, thats gross.
Really?

- A young goalie who has dominated the AHL and could be ready to run with a starting job.
- A 28-year old top-6 winger who should be good for 20+ goals and 50+ points while being a great defensive forward.
- 6th overall pick in 2011 who is an excellent forward prospect, which the Leafs lack

Remember, I said the deal would be contingent on Michalek extending in Toronto. Seems pretty fair.

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01-10-2013, 08:55 PM
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Really?

- A young goalie who has dominated the AHL and could be ready to run with a starting job.
- A 28-year old top-6 winger who should be good for 20+ goals and 50+ points while being a great defensive forward.
- 6th overall pick in 2011 who is an excellent forward prospect, which the Leafs lack

Remember, I said the deal would be contingent on Michalek extending in Toronto. Seems pretty fair.
Ben Bishop won't be in the NHL this season, he's 26 years old, thats like me saying Scrivens holds value too, when its actually very little. I'd rather have someone younger than Michalek, and sure, he had 35 goals last season but the season prior he only had 33 points, and before that 34. We cannot trade one of the best wingers in the NHL for someone that inconsistent. I like Zibanejad, he intrigues me but not enough to give up Kessel. Plus, I doubt we'd want to help Ottawa become a stronger team.

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01-10-2013, 08:57 PM
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Bishop, Michalek (with an extension window) Zibanejad?
If we're trading Kessel we'd be wanting younger guys instead of Michalek, that being said, let's go all swedish...

Lehner, Silfverberg and Zibanejad

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Kessel, Scrivens and Franson

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01-10-2013, 09:00 PM
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Ben Bishop won't be in the NHL this season, he's 26 years old, thats like me saying Scrivens holds value too, when its actually very little. I'd rather have someone younger than Michalek, and sure, he had 35 goals last season but the season prior he only had 33 points, and before that 34. We cannot trade one of the best wingers in the NHL for someone that inconsistent. I like Zibanejad, he intrigues me but not enough to give up Kessel. Plus, I doubt we'd want to help Ottawa become a stronger team.
Bishop was just acquired for a 2nd round pick, so he does hold some value around the league.

IMO you're overvaluing a guy who is a UFA in 1.5 seasons. Is there any precedent for someone with so little controllability returning more than a top-6 winger, NHL-ready goaltending prospect, and recent top-10 pick?

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01-10-2013, 09:03 PM
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If we're trading Kessel we'd be wanting younger guys instead of Michalek, that being said, let's go all swedish...

Lehner, Silfverberg and Zibanejad

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Kessel, Scrivens and Franson
We don't really have a need for Scrivens or Franson. Take out those two and add Bishop instead of Lehner and I'd do it.

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the only basis that Kessel could be available is that he is not a "carlyle" type player

if the leafs struggle again this year i could see him becoming available but at this point it would have to be an over payment

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He needs to go to a smaller American hockey market.

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01-10-2013, 09:08 PM
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signs with Minni to play with his buds, Suts and Parise.

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01-10-2013, 09:13 PM
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I don't think any team is gonna repeat Burke's mistake and offer the moon for him.

Semin is more or less the same player and he only managed a one year deal. Better than Kessel defensively, no less physical (even more if you can believe it, not that it matters), better wrist shot. Slower and worse snapper though. Playmaking about even, Kessel might have more vision but Semin can complete the most impossible passes if he sees a window. Better stats career wise and as impressive as Kessel in his first few playoff performances. Yet he only managed a one year deal. Kessel would probably get more since he's not as "enigmatic" but I doubt any team would go for broke on him. Probably deadline deal in the last season of his contract similar to Hossa or Kovalchuk deals but lower return.

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01-10-2013, 09:18 PM
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signs with Minni to play with his buds, Suts and Parise.
i think Minny would be a great place for him and fit in to what they are doing

i suggest seto, cal and coyle or phillips and hackett

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To Nashville: Colin Wilson, Austin Watson, 1st round pick, 2nd round pick
To Minnesota: Mikael Granlund, 1st round pick, 2nd round pick

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I don't think any team is gonna repeat Burke's mistake and offer the moon for him.

Semin is more or less the same player and he only managed a one year deal. Better than Kessel defensively, no less physical (even more if you can believe it, not that it matters), better wrist shot. Slower and worse snapper though. Playmaking about even, Kessel might have more vision but Semin can complete the most impossible passes if he sees a window. Better stats career wise and as impressive as Kessel in his first few playoff performances. Yet he only managed a one year deal. Kessel would probably get more since he's not as "enigmatic" but I doubt any team would go for broke on him. Probably deadline deal in the last season of his contract similar to Hossa or Kovalchuk deals but lower return.
I don't think Kessel will have any issues getting 7 years and about $50 million on the open market as long as he's healthy going forward. Very similar skill set to Kovalchuk.

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01-10-2013, 09:24 PM
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How do STL fans feel about offering Berglund + C. Stewart + late 1st for Kessel? Backes and Kessel compliment one another very well.

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To Nashville: Colin Wilson, Austin Watson, 1st round pick, 2nd round pick
To Minnesota: Mikael Granlund, 1st round pick, 2nd round pick
I don't think so. Those are similar value to the Carter and Richards deals and they were signed for a decade, not 1.5 years.

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I don't think so. Those are similar value to the Carter and Richards deals and they were signed for a decade, not 1.5 years.
Kessel is a better talent than either Richard or Carter.

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I don't think Kessel will have any issues getting 7 years and about $50 million on the open market as long as he's healthy going forward. Very similar skill set to Kovalchuk.
If you took away all of Kovalchuk's physical play, newly competent defensive play and cut his offense by 15-20% and his weight by 30 lb, then yeah.

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Kessel is a better talent than either Richard or Carter.
I'd rather have Richards on my team, but anyway, even if Kessel is a bit better, the fact that it's 1.5 years of him, 9 of Carter, and 10 of Richards makes Carter and Richards the more valuable asset, by a fair margin.

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How do STL fans feel about offering Berglund + C. Stewart + late 1st for Kessel? Backes and Kessel compliment one another very well.
Berglunds barely a 2nd line C and Stewart after his awful year holds little value....Some Leaf fans have no sense of value even towards their own players

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I'd rather have Richards on my team, but anyway, even if Kessel is a bit better, the fact that it's 1.5 years of him, 9 of Carter, and 10 of Richards makes Carter and Richards the more valuable asset, by a fair margin.
You're wrong but we'll agree to disagree.

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If you took away all of Kovalchuk's physical play, newly competent defensive play and cut his offense by 15-20% and his weight by 30 lb, then yeah.
Kovalchuk has 32 more hits than Kessel in the last two years.
Kessel has scored one more goal than Kovalchuk and 3 more points over the last two years.

Kovalchuk is heavier yes, (not that I think it really matters), and seems to have had defensive awareness drilled into him by the NJ system, but overall they're very similar.

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To Nashville: Colin Wilson, Austin Watson, 1st round pick, 2nd round pick
To Minnesota: Mikael Granlund, 1st round pick, 2nd round pick
For Kessel to Minny, Coyle is the one I want.


But I think this is all premature at this point.

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You're wrong but we'll agree to disagree.
Care to provide a list of deals for players with 1-2 years remaining on their contracts that exceed the return of Carter and Richards?

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I'd rather have Richards on my team, but anyway, even if Kessel is a bit better, the fact that it's 1.5 years of him, 9 of Carter, and 10 of Richards makes Carter and Richards the more valuable asset, by a fair margin.
Does this logic apply to players like:

Malkin
Datsyuk
Sedin #1
Sedin #2
Miller
Marleau
Gaborik
Thornton
Vanek
Stastny
Callahan
Pavelski
Letang
Brown

All who are FA's at the same time as Kessel.

We still have a year and a half to hammer out a deal with Kessel, no way we trade him for an underpayment just because of the years left on his contract. Just because some bone heads on the radio say the leafs should trade Kessel doesn't mean it's going to happen. Of course the media is in "the sky is falling" mode, Burkes firing came out of no where. I expect this all to pass once the season starts.

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Care to provide a list of deals for players with 1-2 years remaining on their contracts that exceed the return of Carter and Richards?
Jordan Staal.

Kessel > Staal.

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