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01-11-2013, 01:18 AM
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1: Toronto isn't going into rebuild mode. The ownership would never allow it.
2: No, Philly doesn't need to add.
3: Philly doesn't need a forward of any kind.
4: Yes, this is a deep draft but it's not like it's 2 draft years combined. The draft isn't THAT deep. Unless Philly seriously flops their first rounder isn't worth that much... but at the same time Toronto lacks a center worth half of Couturier. I can't imagine Philly trading him, either. I truely believe that he and Schenn are the future.

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01-11-2013, 01:21 AM
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Just wait 18 months and pick Kessel up for free when he goes looking for a playoff team.

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01-11-2013, 01:27 AM
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Would rather keep Couturier.

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01-11-2013, 01:38 AM
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Would rather keep Couturier.
Seconded.

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01-11-2013, 02:59 AM
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If by some crazy chance Kessel ever gets dealt. It would be to the NJD or the preds. Teams that need to bolster their top 6.

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01-11-2013, 03:19 AM
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3way:

To TOR:
Huberdeau
Markstrom
Kassian

To FLA:
Luongo
Kessel

To VAN:
MacArthur
Reimer
Bozak
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01-11-2013, 03:44 AM
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you want me to trade an extremely promising 19 year old 2-way center and a 1st round pick for this?

no thanks.
Love that gif. He's endearingly awkward xD

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but seriously, i wouldn't do Couturier for Kessel straight up, let alone add a 1st or voracek. if couturier is being moved at al, which is extremely unlikely in itself, it would be for a young defenseman with an equally high ceiling.
How about Voracek for Kessel straight up? You take my 37 goal winger and I'll take your 18 goal one? Fair?

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01-11-2013, 05:13 AM
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I see a lot of people claiming that Kessel would be so great with Giroux because he is a #1 center, you guys must see a different player than I do.

Kessel is what he is and gets his points no matter who he plays with, sure there would probably be a marginal increase in scoring, but I get the feeling it won't be dramatic like James Neal with Malkin.

I also don't see Kessel as a player Philly would be looking to add, like numerous people have said, Philly needs a #1 D not to add a defensively weak player to a defensively weak team.

It might be fun to watch them play Pittsburgh, but they wouldn't fare as well against the good defensive teams who also have some offense.

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01-11-2013, 08:53 AM
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There was a lot of talk about the Flyers having strong interest in Bobby Ryan last season. Sure Philly needs an impact defenseman, but I'm sure Holmgren wouldn't turn his nose up at a potential 40 goal scorer if he makes the team better.
So now you are offering Ryan for Sean? OK I will not turn up my nose I am trying to be real here ok?

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01-11-2013, 09:00 AM
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Kessel for Couturier and a 1st is probably fair value.

As a flyers fan, accepting this deal falls on 3 factors:

1) How much do Brayden Schenn or Scott Laughton develop?

2) Can the flyers acquire a young defenseman with the money that would go to Kessel?

3) What are we doing with Bryz and Timonen after the season?

Otherwise the prospect of Claude and Kessel is brilliant

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01-11-2013, 09:01 AM
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I'd imagine if they were trading Couturier, it would be for a #1 D... not for another good forward. They have lots of those.

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01-11-2013, 09:39 AM
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i wouldnt even do couturier for kessel straight up

yeah i said it

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01-11-2013, 09:54 AM
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If anything it would have to be a three team trade where the third team supplies a #1D to Philly.

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01-11-2013, 10:03 AM
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If anything it would have to be a three team trade where the third team supplies a #1D to Philly.
To Toronto:
Couturier
PHI 1st
+ something

To Philly:
Yandle

To Phoenix:
Kessel

Not into dealing Kessel, but by your request this is probable

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01-11-2013, 10:17 AM
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i dont see why either team would be interested in moving either player.

as discussed, philly could use a young stud defenseman and toronto could use a young stud number 1 center.

couts might become a #1 center but i think he is a little too unestablished at this point for the leafs to gamble on. i would assume the leafs would be looking to add the center to play with kessel as well not substitute kessel for one.

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01-11-2013, 10:30 AM
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To Toronto:
Couturier
PHI 1st
+ something

To Philly:
Yandle

To Phoenix:
Kessel

Not into dealing Kessel, but by your request this is probable
Not sure Yandle is the guy Philly would want. OEL more likely. But yes, it would have to be something like this.

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01-11-2013, 10:38 AM
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To Toronto:
Couturier
PHI 1st
+ something

To Philly:
Yandle

To Phoenix:
Kessel

Not into dealing Kessel, but by your request this is probable

No thank you from a Flyers standpoint.

Too much for Yandle.

So make it Couturier,1st ++ for OEL and I think it's doable.

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01-11-2013, 10:49 AM
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To Toronto:
Couturier
PHI 1st
+ something

To Philly:
Yandle

To Phoenix:
Kessel

Not into dealing Kessel, but by your request this is probable
I'm a huge fan of Yandle, so much so that I've always wanted the Flyers to make a push for him since there were rumors this past summer about Phoenix shopping him, but that's too much from the Flyers perspective.

Plus isn't Phoenix looking for a center?

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01-11-2013, 11:06 AM
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Love that gif. He's endearingly awkward xD



How about Voracek for Kessel straight up? You take my 37 goal winger and I'll take your 18 goal one? Fair?
I think you're missing the point. Voracek has value. Not as much value as kessel, obviously, but we do not need kessel. Our offensive production is not in need of help. Our primary need, by a long shot, is a top pairing defenseman, or a promising young defenseman so could become a top pairing defenseman. couturier AND Voracek together hold a lot of value. Why in the hell would we put a package like that together to trade for a package of players and assets that we DO NOT NEED? If you want to even discuss Voracek or couturier, gardiner has to be coming back, otherwise there is absolutely no point whatsoever to trade couturier or Voracek.

Even though the discussion is pointless because I don't believe the flyers have any interest in moving either players.

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01-11-2013, 11:17 AM
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How hard is it for people to understand that Philly will not trade Couts for another forward unless it was an obvious overpayment. If he got dealt, it would be for a D-Man. It's that simple folks.

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01-11-2013, 11:57 AM
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How hard is it for people to understand that Philly will not trade Couts for another forward unless it was an obvious overpayment. If he got dealt, it would be for a D-Man. It's that simple folks.
Pretty sure Kessel is an obvious overpayement. Jesus you'd think this guy is Dougie Gilmour or something.

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01-11-2013, 12:11 PM
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Pretty sure Kessel is an obvious overpayement. Jesus you'd think this guy is Dougie Gilmour or something.
But he's not needed. If we had any mind to trade Couts or Voracek, they would be prime chips to bring in a piece that makes our team better. We have an obvious need for a leader on the blue line. A #1 defenseman.

Explain to me how Kessel makes us a better team? Especially when were giving up our best defensive forward and our 2nd best defensive forward? If we traded them for kessel, then that's 2 top end pieces that are lost and our team is still in the same position we were before, except with WORSE team defense.

I understand that kessel has more value than Voracek and couturier Individually right now, but this would make no sense for the flyers at all. It makes us a worse team.

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01-11-2013, 12:37 PM
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But he's not needed. If we had any mind to trade Couts or Voracek, they would be prime chips to bring in a piece that makes our team better. We have an obvious need for a leader on the blue line. A #1 defenseman.

Explain to me how Kessel makes us a better team? Especially when were giving up our best defensive forward and our 2nd best defensive forward? If we traded them for kessel, then that's 2 top end pieces that are lost and our team is still in the same position we were before, except with WORSE team defense.

I understand that kessel has more value than Voracek and couturier Individually right now, but this would make no sense for the flyers at all. It makes us a worse team.
The poster I was responding to said that Couturier wouldn't be traded for a forward unless it was an obvious overpayment. I pointed out that Kessel WAS an overpayment. If anything, you should be asking him. I'd much rather hang on to my PPG winger, anyways, so it's a moot point.

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01-11-2013, 12:49 PM
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do people not realize how hard it is to be a PPG player in todays NHL? and how many players have put up as many consecutive 30 goal seasons as Kessel? not many.

people not wanting to trade their forward prospect for a top 10 scorer who is 25 is absurd.

half this thread is full of posts with 0 credibility.

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01-11-2013, 12:57 PM
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3way:

To TOR:
Huberdeau
Markstrom
Kassian

To FLA:
Luongo
Kessel

To VAN:
MacArthur
Reimer
Bozak
Only team that does this is Florida. Horrible for VAN and just bad for TOR

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