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01-11-2013, 12:22 PM
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I really don't see Gillis trading Luongo for junk.
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Actually, reading into that further, I missed that. So the Leafs get hosed, as do the Flyers. Vancouver makes out very well, mind you.
So no one is happy so it's a good deal

I think my offer was better without Blacker.

But Philli gets hosed for giving up a 2nd for a 5th, Blacker and Holzer but Leafs get hosed for giving up those 2, a good 3rd line center, Kadri and a 2nd? With Lu the 2nd won't even be top 40.

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01-11-2013, 12:23 PM
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I have said this in previous posts, Lou's value is neither as low as Leafs(or other temas) fans hope and not as high as Nucks fan wanna think. This is just a simple reality in the cap era. Hockey trades for the most part are dead in todays game. The new CBA has if anything established lou's value as possibly lower, IMO. I am a Leafs fan yes, but this is a hockey not a bias view.

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01-11-2013, 12:24 PM
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Nonis' interview about building blocks is being misrepresented. He specifically mentioned Rielly, not Jake. He was questioned whether Gardiner would also be one. What's he going to say at that point?

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01-11-2013, 12:25 PM
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Nonis' interview about building blocks is being misrepresented. He specifically mentioned Rielly, not Jake. He was questioned whether Gardiner would also be one. What's he going to say at that point?
Very interesting.

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01-11-2013, 12:28 PM
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And you don't think it's possible that Nonis, facing pressure from management, sees Gardiner as a necessary means to an end in order to make the best impression possible in his first season? Making the playoffs will gain him God-tier status, just like the Luongo trade did for us. He's going to be looking to make his mark on the franchise, like he did with the Canucks.

By the way, keep in mind that you're asking for a franchise goalie (contract notwithstanding), a young power forward we paid dearly to acquire and a first in a insanely deep draft for a sophomore who would be coming into the Western Conference essentially unproven. (I am aware he played briefly with Anaheim.)
After the initial shock of the events that transpired a couple of days ago, I thought that Dave Nonis would cave and give the Canucks their choice of Morgan Rielly / Jake Gardiner. But he has since done a marvelous job of presenting the patient approach that he is known for.

Nonis is not going to trade either Rielly or Gardiner and he won't trade the first round pick either.

To get their hands on either, Vancouver is going to have to pay significantly.

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01-11-2013, 12:29 PM
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Nonis' interview about building blocks is being misrepresented. He specifically mentioned Rielly, not Jake. He was questioned whether Gardiner would also be one. What's he going to say at that point?
you can twist it any way you like but he said we have spent years accumulating building blocks, and it would not be smart to tear them down right away. We're still building, sure if a deal comes along that involves a young player at another position sure he'll look at it, but not for a 33 year old vet with a 10 year contract. Gardiner, Rielly and our first are going nowhere. If Gillis wants one of them he's going to have to add significant pieces along with Luongo.

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It would be funny if Edmonton could land him; they have pieces and a need for goaltending (at least IMO)

Khabibulin (cap purposes) + MPS/Lander/Pitlick + Gernat/Marincin + something else if need be.

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After the initial shock of the events that transpired a couple of days ago, I thought that Dave Nonis would cave and give the Canucks their choice of Morgan Rielly / Jake Gardiner. But he has since done a marvelous job of presenting the patient approach that he is known for.

Nonis is not going to trade either Rielly or Gardiner and he won't trade the first round pick either.

To get their hands on either, Vancouver is going to have to pay significantly.
LOL! He's been GM for 48 hours. The CBA has not been ratified and so no trades can be made. So far, he's been as patient as every other GM, including Paul Holmgren in Philly.

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Also that the last 14 teams all have a shot at the #1 overall pick via the lotto, makes the Leafs 1st this year realistically off the table, 2014 1st sure or this years protected.

Here is the deal many are reporting, Tor sends Bozak(Kesler's injury increases his value to Van at the moment), Kadri & a 2nd for Lou. Personally I like the trade for the Leafs, that being said it seems a piece is missing. I think that Nonis adds to the deal, just not what Nucks fans are going to be happy with.

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Also that the last 14 teams all have a shot at the #1 overall pick via the lotto, makes the Leafs 1st this year realistically off the table, 2014 1st sure or this years protected.

Here is the deal many are reporting, Tor sends Bozak(Kesler's injury increases his value to Van at the moment), Kadri & a 2nd for Lou. Personally I like the trade for the Leafs, that being said it seems a piece is missing. I think that Nonis adds to the deal, just not what Nucks fans are going to be happy with.
That isn't going to happen.

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01-11-2013, 12:31 PM
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Fine lets go a different direction.

Philli gets Lu and Grabovski
Canucks get Kessel, Bozak and Lupul
Leafs get Canucks 2013 first rounder, Phillies 2013 and 2014 1st rounders, Bryz (who we buy out with Komi in the offseason), Philli 2013 2nd rounder, Nathan Mackinnon ()

Tear this team apart!!

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After the initial shock of the events that transpired a couple of days ago, I thought that Dave Nonis would cave and give the Canucks their choice of Morgan Rielly / Jake Gardiner. But he has since done a marvelous job of presenting the patient approach that he is known for.

Nonis is not going to trade either Rielly or Gardiner and he won't trade the first round pick either.

To get their hands on either, Vancouver is going to have to pay significantly.
Not saying Canucks will get Gardiner or Reilly, but Nonis has only had a few short interviews. He has done nothing yet, nor has had the time to show his true face with Toronto. Lol it's funny how fast Toronto fans change their tune with almost nothing to go on.

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LOL! He's been GM for 48 hours. The CBA has not been ratified and so no trades can be made. So far, he's been as patient as every other GM, including Paul Holmgren in Philly.
Dave Nonis has been on the air more in those 48 hours than a lot of GMs do in an entire month.

I'm satisfied with the vision that he has put forth to Leaf fans.

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you can twist it any way you like but he said we have spent years accumulating building blocks, and it would not be smart to tear them down right away. We're still building, sure if a deal comes along that involves a young player at another position sure he'll look at it, but not for a 33 year old vet with a 10 year contract. Gardiner, Rielly and our first are going nowhere.
As can you. All we know so far in his 48 hours on the job is that he has been legally unable to make any moves. Like every other GM, including Burke just before the Kessel trade, he says he will be patient. The rest is just conjecture on your part and reading your own personal views into his comments.
For what it's worth I don't hink he'll open up the vault for Luongo, but you would have to be naive to not know that Nonis will be under intense pressure from ownership to show improvement. Burke wasn't just fired because he was abrasive.

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I think Lou is also only one of many trades that will be made in the first 24-48 hrs after trades are allowed. I think Gm's are going to be scrambling like crazy to either aquire or shed money. Though everyone claims it will not be a distraction, media will make it that way. This will be even more important in a shortened season, IMO.

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01-11-2013, 12:36 PM
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That isn't going to happen.
What isn't that trade or one like it?

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Nonis' interview about building blocks is being misrepresented. He specifically mentioned Rielly, not Jake. He was questioned whether Gardiner would also be one. What's he going to say at that point?
LOL, grasping aren't we?

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Dave Nonis has been on the air more in those 48 hours than a lot of GMs do in an entire month.

I'm satisfied with the vision that he has put forth to Leaf fans.
LOL! He said almost word for word the same thing that every GM, including Burke when he was hired, says when they join a club.
You're reaching to pat him on the back for doing absolutely nothing.
And according to almost every Leaf fan posting here, he's been running the club for the last few years anyways with Burke as a figurehead. Now you're trying to spin it like you have a totally new GM who is going to bring new direction to the team.

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LOL! He said almost word for word the same thing that every GM, including Burke when he was hired, says when they join a club.
You're reaching to pat him on the back for doing absolutely nothing.
And according to almost every Leaf fan posting here, he's been running the club for the last few years anyways with Burke as a figurehead. Now you're trying to spin it like you have a totally new GM who is going to bring new direction to the team.
I'm happy with the direction of not trading significant young talent for veterans on questionable contracts. Indeed, is there anything wrong with advocating for a patient approach?

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It would be funny if Edmonton could land him; they have pieces and a need for goaltending (at least IMO)

Khabibulin (cap purposes) + MPS/Lander/Pitlick + Gernat/Marincin + something else if need be.
You are forgetting the all important...must be included.... 1st, i mean EDM is "guranteed" playoffs with Luongo!!!!

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I'm happy with the direction of not trading significant young talent for veterans on questionable contracts. Indeed, is there anything wrong with advocating for a patient approach?
Every GM says that. Let's actually wait to see what he does.
You know, wait until he is legally able to make a move rather than applauding him for his words. You think you'd have learned by now that actions speak louder than words.

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That's former allstar Komisarek!
Almost as good as being Vezina nominated!!!

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You are forgetting the all important...must be included.... 1st, i mean EDM is "guranteed" playoffs with Luongo!!!!
Well you have to admit, Luongo has had consistent stats on bad teams (Florida and arguably Canucks early years) and on very good teams (Canucks lately).

So based on this, unless the scoring absolutely dries up on Toronto, you should have a very very good chance.

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Almost as good as being Vezina nominated!!!
You've been in this thread too long. You're getting bitter.

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Sunday can't come fast enough. First day teams can start trading, you have to assume if a deal goes down it goes down Sunday or on Monday. There has been so much talk about this lol

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