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01-11-2013, 09:20 AM
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Terry Pegula:The sole existence is to win the Stanley Cup.

It's a contradiction saying he is one of the 12 best forwards but that he should be sent back This isn't the 90's anymore, cup winning and playoff teams are playing teenage rookies.Think Tyler Seguin needed another year of junior? He was mediocre his rookie season and his 2nd year is now a legit 1st line player.Grigs is a similiar level prospect and I think he will do a lot better then most rookies do.He scored nearly a goal per game, he's ready and should be in the lineup.

And yes many fans want him to stay down so we can "preserve" his ELC so it won't get "wasted" in a 48 game season.(Which last time I checked counted just as much as an 82 one.)And it's not like a few million in cap space one year earlier then they want is a big deal at all.That is the loser talk I'm referring to.I'm sick of waiting for "next year", he's ready now and needs to be in our lineup.He gives us a better chance of winning, not debatable.Only thing debatable if it's better for his development to play the 2nd half of the season in the Q, or help his NHL team try to win for a cup.
How is any of this "not debatable"?

In reference to the Pegula line, Pegula didn't say the sole existence of this organization is to win the Stanley Cup THIS SEASON with no regard for the ramifications it may have for the teams ability to win the Stanley Cup down the road. You are completely taking that out of context by trying to apply it here. If you think Grigorenko is the difference between this team that didn't make the playoffs last year and then winning the Cup, then I guess there is nothing left for me to say.

EDIT: And you keep going back to that "he's one of the 12 best forwards so he makes the team better" argument. I'm glad you're not running this organization if that's how you handle prospects. It almost never harms a prospect by being patient, just look at the difference between Detroit and Columbus to see the effect of rushing a prospect vs being patient with prospects.

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01-11-2013, 09:48 AM
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Given that Hecht is likely to be here...this is what I'd try. I'm also assuming that Grigorenko makes the team for a tryout.....which is certainly possible (either way at this point)

I think the roster looks best if you break up Vanek and Poms:

Vanek-Hodgson-Ott
Foligno-Ennis-Stafford
Hecht-Grigo-Poms
Ellis-Leino-Kaleta




If no Grigorenko:

Vanek-Hodgson-Pominville
Foligno-Ennis-Stafford
Leino-Hecht-Ott (Ott takes draws, Hecht plays C)
Scott-Ellis-Kaleta

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01-11-2013, 10:01 AM
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I think the roster looks best if you break up Vanek and Poms:

Vanek-Hodgson-Ott
Foligno-Ennis-Stafford
Hecht-Grigo-Poms
Ellis-Leino-Kaleta

I'm with you on this. Lindy tends to like energy/hard-working type guys on his 4th line and Leino is far from that, but I'd rather him there than infecting our top-9. Healthy Hecht > Leino any day, IMO.

V-H-O: 18 mins (all adjusted for PP/PK of course, can't remember the last time Vanek played that much in one night)
F-E-S: 18 mins
H-G-P: 16 mins
E-L-K: 8 mins

Also would like to see Ott and Pominville switch for a few shifts/game, A. to load up our most talented scoring line, B. to keep opponents honest with the rookie (love Jochen and Pommers but I'd rather have Ott out there for protection purposes)

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01-11-2013, 10:17 AM
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Given that Hecht is likely to be here...this is what I'd try. I'm also assuming that Grigorenko makes the team for a tryout.....which is certainly possible (either way at this point)

I think the roster looks best if you break up Vanek and Poms:

Vanek-Hodgson-Ott
Foligno-Ennis-Stafford
Hecht-Grigo-Poms
Ellis-Leino-Kaleta


If no Grigorenko:

Vanek-Hodgson-Pominville
Foligno-Ennis-Stafford
Leino-Hecht-Ott (Ott takes draws, Hecht plays C)
Scott-Ellis-Kaleta
I love that lineup with Grigorenko. Essentially what I was hoping for but I had Leino as 3rd line LW before the Hecht signing. I think i pretty much agree with you on both lineups.

With Grig, you go three scoring lines. Without Grig you go with a loaded top two lines.

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01-11-2013, 10:26 AM
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By the 5th game Hecht is our #1 center, its inevitable.

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01-11-2013, 10:56 AM
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When I watched Darcy's press conference the other day, he suggested that grigs could play his way onto the team, but he'd have to be spectacular to do it. Completing the season as the de facto #1 player in Quebec will only help him.

He's in the same boat as Myers when Tyler was a rook. Myers was our best defenseman after his 9 game tryout. If grigs makes himself indispensable, he'll stay.

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01-11-2013, 11:22 AM
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When I watched Darcy's press conference the other day, he suggested that grigs could play his way onto the team, but he'd have to be spectacular to do it. Completing the season as the de facto #1 player in Quebec will only help him.

He's in the same boat as Myers when Tyler was a rook. Myers was our best defenseman after his 9 game tryout. If grigs makes himself indispensable, he'll stay.
I doubt that he will be our best forward after his 6 games so I hope that R/R don't use the same logic. I have a bad feeling that Lindy will want no part of a young, offense-first player that is obviously not familiar with his "system" (name one forward that he's ever been fond of that didn't play the PK). Here's to hoping Grigs goes ppg and makes Lindy's opinion on the matter all but irrelevant.

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01-11-2013, 11:52 AM
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Well, WITH Hecht and Grigo

Vanek-Hodgson-Pomniville
Folgino-Ennis-Stafford
Leino-Grigerenko-Ott
Scott-Hecht-Kaleta
Ellis, McCormick

Really makes us have to clear out a defender or two, however.

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01-11-2013, 12:05 PM
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Vanek-Hodgson-Pominville
Foligno-Ennis-Stafford
Leino-Hecht-Ott
Scott-Ellis-Kaleta

I don't see how Grigorenko could be in a very good position for success even if he deserves to make the team. Does he play with grinders on the wing or do all the lines get jumbled to match Grigs with skill players? I don't think we have enough skill at forward unless Vanek and Pominville get separated and Ruff tries three balanced lines and a checking/grinder line. Buffalo isn't a legit contender anyway, so the decision should be based on what's best for his development and preparation for next season and beyond.

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01-11-2013, 12:15 PM
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the "no Grigs" expected Lineup

Van-Hodgson-Poms
Foligno-Ennis-Staff
Leino-Hecht-Ott
Scott-Ellis-Kaleta

Sekera-Myers
Sulzer-Ehrhoff
Leo-Regehr

X : Weber, Brennan, Pardy
IR : Gerbe, McCormick

The Grigorenko "play it safe Lineup"


Van-Hodgson-Poms
Foligno-Ennis-Staff
Leino-Hecht-Ott
Ellis-Grigorenko-Kaleta

Sekera-Myers
Sulzer-Ehrhoff
Leo-Regehr

X : Scott, Weber, Brennan, Pardy (waive 1 defensemen)
IR : Gerbe, McCormick

The "Grigorenko is like Myers" Lineup

Van-Grigorenko-Ott
Foligno-Ennis-Staff
Hecht-Hodgson-Pommer
Ellis-Leino-Kaleta

Sekera-Myers
Sulzer-Ehrhoff
Leo-Regehr

X : Scott, Weber, Brennan, Pardy (waive 1 defensemen)
IR : Gerbe, McCormick

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01-11-2013, 12:54 PM
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Terry Pegula:The sole existence is to win the Stanley Cup.
What he meant to say was:

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The sole existence is to re-sign Jochen Hecht over and over.

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01-11-2013, 01:05 PM
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Vanek-Hodgson-Leino
Foligno-Ennis-Stafford
Ott-Grigorenko-Pominville
Adam-Hecht-Kaleta
Scott/Ellis

Myers-Leopold
Ehrhoff-Sulzer
Regehr-Sekera
Weber/Brennan

Miller
Enroth

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01-11-2013, 01:16 PM
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23 man roster

Leino-Hodgson-Vanek (gives Leino an early opportunity)
Foligno-Ennis-Stafford
Hecht-Grigorenko-Pominville (protects Grigs, fewer ES min, but a special teams line)
Ellis/Scott-Ott-Kaleta
xEllis/Scott
IR: Gerbe, McCormick

Myers-Sekera
Ehrhoff-Sulzer
Regehr-Leopold
xBrennan, Weber

Miller
Enroth

with Ott's faceoffs used situationally, up and down the lineup

a lot of options, it'll be a very interesting first couple of weeks

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01-11-2013, 02:25 PM
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Vanek-Hodgson-Leino
Foligno-Ennis-Stafford
Ott-Grigorenko-Pominville
Adam-Hecht-Kaleta
Scott/Ellis

Myers-Leopold
Ehrhoff-Sulzer
Regehr-Sekera
Weber/Brennan

Miller
Enroth
Didn't even get invited to camp: http://wgr550.com/The-Sabres--Messag...f-the/15233805

Huge undeserved slap in the face if you ask me. Is there really any risk in at least seeing how he look on a line in camp? The guy's 22 and far from fully developed.

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Didn't even get invited to camp: http://wgr550.com/The-Sabres--Messag...f-the/15233805

Huge undeserved slap in the face if you ask me. Is there really any risk in at least seeing how he look on a line in camp? The guy's 22 and far from fully developed.
He's 9th on the Amerks in scoring, behind guys like Porter, Flynn, Rankin, McNabb. I'm a firm believer in the idea you got to earn your spot. Having him in camp would be a slap in the face to the other 4 guys.

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Didn't even get invited to camp: http://wgr550.com/The-Sabres--Messag...f-the/15233805

Huge undeserved slap in the face if you ask me. Is there really any risk in at least seeing how he look on a line in camp? The guy's 22 and far from fully developed.
Sabres don't need to bring Adam to camp to see how he looks. They have seen him in over 30 AHL games this season.

His effort in the majority of the games this season (and last season in the ahl) is a slap in the face.


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The defense seems to be soft as a whole. Regier is the only real physical defenseman in the starting lineup.
Tyler Myers.

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I never thought Regier was all that physical when he was an Islanders prospect, and I don't think he'd be able to perform at the NHL level right now.

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Didn't even get invited to camp: http://wgr550.com/The-Sabres--Messag...f-the/15233805

Huge undeserved slap in the face if you ask me. Is there really any risk in at least seeing how he look on a line in camp? The guy's 22 and far from fully developed.
Hodgson and Foligno were the only Amerks invited to camp among forwards. How is that a slap in the face? He is not on the same level as those two.

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I never thought Regier was all that physical when he was an Islanders prospect, and I don't think he'd be able to perform at the NHL level right now.
well done

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Vanek - Hodgson - Pominville
Foligno - Ennis - Stafford
Ott - Grigorenko - Leino
Kaleta - Hecht - Ellis

Gerbe (inj)
McCormick (inj)
Scott (pb)

Myers - Regehr
Sekera - Ehrhoff
Sulzer - Leopold

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If we have Hecht on opening night as reported, and Grigo gets a 9 game look, I'd love to see...

26 Vanek - 19 Hodgson - 9 Ott
82 Foligno - 63 Ennis - 21 Stafford
23 Leino - 25 Grigorenko - 29 Pominville
37 Ellis/28 Scott - 55 Hecht - 36 Kaleta

X. 72 Adam, 32 Girgs
IR. 42 Gerbe, 8 McCormick

57 Myers - 44 Sekera
10 Ehrhoff - 52 Sulzer
24 Regehr - 3 Leopold

X. 81 McNabb, 33 Brennan, 6 Weber

30 Miller
1 Enroth

X. Leggio

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Vanek-CoHo-Pommers
Foligno-EnZo-Stafford
Leino-GriGo-Ott
Ellis-Hecht-Kaleta

Myers-Regher
Leopold-Ehrhoff
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If we have Hecht on opening night as reported, and Grigo gets a 9 game look, I'd love to see...

26 Vanek - 19 Hodgson - 9 Ott
82 Foligno - 63 Ennis - 21 Stafford
23 Leino - 25 Grigorenko - 29 Pominville
37 Ellis/28 Scott - 55 Hecht - 36 Kaleta

X. 72 Adam, 32 Girgs
IR. 42 Gerbe, 8 McCormick

57 Myers - 44 Sekera
10 Ehrhoff - 52 Sulzer
24 Regehr - 3 Leopold

X. 81 McNabb, 33 Brennan, 6 Weber

30 Miller
1 Enroth

X. Leggio
They prorated the number. Max of 6 games for this season.

IMO he gets all 6 and stays.

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Didn't even get invited to camp: http://wgr550.com/The-Sabres--Messag...f-the/15233805

Huge undeserved slap in the face if you ask me. Is there really any risk in at least seeing how he look on a line in camp? The guy's 22 and far from fully developed.
The Sabres aren't going to take guys from Rochester who have no shot at making the team. Rochester needs players, too. This is not a regular training camp, it is a training camp solely for players who are going to be on the opening roster or have a great chance at it.

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