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01-11-2013, 01:19 PM
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*ALL* Luongo Talk (News/Speculation/Rumors/Proposals)

Looking at the Leafs' roster for Luongo trade ideas is like shopping at Toys R Us on Christmas Eve.

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What thread are we on?, like 26 or so?

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so you're saying that Toronto would be better with Kadri than it would with Luongo?
Kadri not so much, but I have a feeling its going to be one of those trades which could come back and bite the Leafs later down the road. I would give him a full season at the pro level before thinking of trading him. But players/picks like Gardiner, Reilly, 1st are more valuable if you are building a team for the future.

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What thread are we on?, like 26 or so?
We're not counting them anymore because people would spam them just to get to the next number. It's way more than that though.

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I could see why you would be reluctant to give up Kadri if you believe he will be a 60 point player, I just don't see it happening though

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I'm beginning to see the problem here.......
As if it's wrong to assume that Nazem Kadri is going to continue to improve, as he has been doing since he started playing professional hockey.

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Can anyone link or summarize the Philly 3 way trade Mirtle reported or was that bogus?

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What thread are we on?, like 26 or so?
Hell no....the Bond theme ones went that far, then there was beatles titles...then just the plain old titles....then the ones the mods shut down early...i think we are at 134 in total!!

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Kadri not so much, but I have a feeling its going to be one of those trades which could come back and bite the Leafs later down the road. I would give him a full season at the pro level before thinking of trading him. But players/picks like Gardiner, Reilly, 1st are more valuable if you are building a team for the future.
I agree with you and think there is a deal to be had without Gardiner or Reilly, or the first (unless it became conditional on playoffs or something).

I truely believe that Toronto will win this trade, but if we can fill some holes and get a decent prospect out of it I'm happy

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What thread are we on?, like 26 or so?
26? They did a james bond theme throughout the summer, and there are 24 bond films.

I'm guessing this is closer to about 120.

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26? They did a james bond theme throughout the summer, and there are 24 bond films.

I'm guessing this is closer to about 120.
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As if it's wrong to assume that Nazem Kadri is going to continue to improve, as he has been doing since he started playing professional hockey.
He could but let's not get ahead of ourselves. Before he becomes a 60 point player he needs to show up in shape and show that he can play at the NHL level on a regular basis. Everybody overvalues their prospects but right now I think most GM's would see a pretty big risk in Kadri ever becoming a perennial 60 point player. So far, if you ignore his draft position he's just another prospect with some risks and some upside.
You guys go on about the risks with Luongo who has been a top goalie for some time now but act like Kadri is a sure thing. Only on HFF.

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I could see why you would be reluctant to give up Kadri if you believe he will be a 60 point player, I just don't see it happening though
It's sad that the prospect of being a 60 point player makes someone almost untouchable in today's NHL. I miss 80s hockey.

The only solution...outlaw the butterfly! Brodeur will be the only goalie left able to play standup. It'll be hilariously awesome to see how the other goalies do. "Describe this to me again. You say it's called a...kick save?"

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He could but let's not get ahead of ourselves. Before he becomes a 60 point player he needs to show up in shape and show that he can play at the NHL level on a regular basis. Everybody overvalues their prospects but right now I think most GM's would see a pretty big risk in Kadri ever becoming a perennial 60 point player. So far, if you ignore his draft position he's just another prospect with some risks and some upside.
The Maple Leafs need more prospects like Nazem Kadri and will certainly pay for it if they trade him away for an aging vet like Roberto Luongo.

In the context of the current situation in Toronto, Nazem Kadri is worth a lot to the Maple Leafs.

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It's sad that the prospect of being a 60 point player makes someone almost untouchable in today's NHL. I miss 80s hockey.

The only solution...outlaw the butterfly! Brodeur will be the only goalie left able to play standup. It'll be hilariously awesome to see how the other goalies do. "What's a...kick save?"
In today's NHL where good offensive players are incredibly hard to acquire, holding on to the draft picks that have the potential to grow in to what you're looking for is essential.

If Nazem Kadri could turn in to a stop-gap, but adequate, first line centre for the Maple Leafs in the mold of a Derek Roy I'd be quite satisfied.

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Canucks going away from Luongo, due to playoffs performance. 17 goals in 3 games against Boston, in Boston. Mentally doesn't have it in playoffs. Great regular season, 100 points in 6 of 7 seasons. Vancouver needs to succeed in playoffs, Toronto just needs to get there at this point.

Concern about distraction off the ice. Constant questions to players about it.

Price point - unfair to keep Luongo as backup, hope that he makes a deal. Bozak, Kadri and second pick, more than fair as a deal.

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The Maple Leafs need more prospects like Nazem Kadri and will certainly pay for it if they trade him away for an aging vet like Roberto Luongo.

In the context of the current situation in Toronto, Nazem Kadri is worth a lot to the Maple Leafs.
If you truely believe that Kadri will be more impactfull (even long term) than 5 season of Luongo then then we differ too much to make a deal. Taking Kadri-level players off the table means that Luongo can't be had imo

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In 4 or 5 years, when Roberto is 38-39 and struggling to maintain his level of play and Nazem Kadri is putting up sixty point seasons, yes, Toronto would be better long term with Nazem Kadri.
If Kadri makes the next step. He is as questionable a prospect as Kassian right now.

Also, in 5 years no one can predict what your roster will be. Here is your roster from 5 years ago... http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/l...000382008.html

There are zero players remaining from then. Stajan, Wellwood and White were all supposed to become stars and Tlusty, Kulemon, Rask, Pogge and Earl were the future.

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Price point - unfair to keep Luongo as backup, hope that he makes a deal. Bozak, Kadri and second pick, more than fair as a deal.
that is a fair deal imo

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Canucks going away from Luongo, due to playoffs performance. 17 goals in 3 games against Boston, in Boston. Mentally doesn't have it in playoffs. Great regular season, 100 points in 6 of 7 seasons. Vancouver needs to succeed in playoffs, Toronto just needs to get there at this point.

Concern about distraction off the ice. Constant questions to players about it.

Price point - unfair to keep Luongo as backup, hope that he makes a deal. Bozak, Kadri and second pick, more than fair as a deal.
LOL, and I was laughed at a thread ago for suggesting Nonis should add to it from my view point.

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The Maple Leafs need more prospects like Nazem Kadri and will certainly pay for it if they trade him away for an aging vet like Roberto Luongo.

In the context of the current situation in Toronto, Nazem Kadri is worth a lot to the Maple Leafs.
I think he's a pretty expendible piece and certainly more of a throw in for any deal involving one of the league's top golaies like Luongo.

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Stajan, Wellwood and White were all supposed to become stars.


Oh please, quit it with the hyperbole.

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In today's NHL where good offensive players are incredibly hard to acquire, holding on to the draft picks that have the potential to grow in to what you're looking for is essential.

If Nazem Kadri could turn in to a stop-gap, but adequate, first line centre for the Maple Leafs in the mold of a Derek Roy I'd be quite satisfied.
I would be happy if Tanev turned into Hamhuis and Kassian turned into Lucic as well

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Canucks going away from Luongo, due to playoffs performance. 17 goals in 3 games against Boston, in Boston. Mentally doesn't have it in playoffs. Great regular season, 100 points in 6 of 7 seasons. Vancouver needs to succeed in playoffs, Toronto just needs to get there at this point.

Concern about distraction off the ice. Constant questions to players about it.

Price point - unfair to keep Luongo as backup, hope that he makes a deal. Bozak, Kadri and second pick, more than fair as a deal.
There's a reason why Cheech is a colour commentator and not working for a team.

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I would be happy if Tanev turned into Hamhuis and Kassian turned into Lucic as well
You'll never know if they could reach their potential while playing for your team if you trade them away for aging veterans, right?

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