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01-11-2013, 02:55 PM
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What was the verdict about not getting more than 64.3m committed for next season though? Wasn`t that supposed to be a thing with Subban, because Gomez would for sure be bought out, but they still could not recommitt his cap hit before the actual summer buyout? How is NYR cap situation for next season sans MDZ but with Redden?
What difference is the 2013/14 season cap if the Rangers buy out Redden this summer. His contract is only a hindrance the rest of this season

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01-11-2013, 03:09 PM
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What difference is the 2013/14 season cap if the Rangers buy out Redden this summer. His contract is only a hindrance the rest of this season
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There is none whatsover

Here is what is going to happen.
This year he is waived, put in Hartford and told to stay home and live taped up in bubble wrap for 4 months
Wade than collects almost $3M
Rangers get a caphit of $5,6M
Rangers sign del Zotto giving them a 22 man troop.
Rangers would then have over $4M in capspace for this season left AFTER signing del Zotto for a caphit of $2,5M per. If his contract is higher than $2,5M - anything higher than the 2,5M figure is subtracted from the $4,091,666 The Rangers would have in actual space. Meaning quite a lot.
Mike Sauer will be placed on LTIR. This gives the Rangers an additional $1,250m in overage to use - if they want and need.
Meaning The Rangers have over $5M in annual cap space to use on new contracts this year - if they choose to do so. Another important point is that at the trade deadline on April 5, prorated capspace will count 4,125 times that of the annual remaining cap hit in players acquired in trades. So if you have say $3M in annual cap hit remaining to use you can take on over $12M of salary cap hits at the deadline...

Before next season Wade Redden is bought out in a compliance buyout.
He gets $3,333,333 paid out and can choose to do what he wants to do with his career. Retire, sign as a UFA or whatever. Guy has then made over $74.000.000 playing hockey in the NHL. He has no longer any influence on The Rangers cap situation.

AND?

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01-11-2013, 03:10 PM
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What was the verdict about not getting more than 64.3m committed for next season though? Wasn`t that supposed to be a thing with Subban, because Gomez would for sure be bought out, but they still could not recommitt his cap hit before the actual summer buyout? How is NYR cap situation for next season sans MDZ but with Redden?

P.S.: Honestly asking, I admittedly checked out of that Subban discussion.
Redden will sit at home and collect his checks, then in the summer he will get an amnesty buyout. He will have absolutely no impact on our 2013/2014 salary cap. This year, we have more than enough cap space to accomodate him. Redden is a non-issue.

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01-11-2013, 03:13 PM
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There is none whatsover

Here is what is going to happen.
This year he is waived, put in Hartford and told to stay home and live taped up in bubble wrap for 4 months
Wade than collects almost $3M
Rangers get a caphit of $5,6M
Rangers sign del Zotto giving them a 22 man troop.
Rangers would then have over $4M in capspace for this season left AFTER signing del Zotto for a caphit of $2,5M per. If his contract is higher than $2,5M - anything higher than the 2,5M figure is subtracted from the $4,091,666 The Rangers would have in actual space. Meaning quite a lot.
Mike Sauer will be placed on LTIR. This gives the Rangers an additional $1,250m in overage to use - if they want and need.
Meaning The Rangers have over $5M in annual cap space to use on new contracts this year - if they choose to do so. Another important point is that at the trade deadline on April 5, prorated capspace will count 4,125 times that of the annual remaining cap hit in players acquired in trades. So if you have say $3M in annual cap hit remaining to use you can take on over $12M of salary cap hits at the deadline...

Before next season Wade Redden is bought out in a compliance buyout.
He gets $3,333,333 paid out and can choose to do what he wants to do with his career. Retire, sign as a UFA or whatever. Guy has then made over $74.000.000 playing hockey in the NHL. He has no longer any influence on The Rangers cap situation.

AND?
Apart from the bolded above, this is accurate. There is a very slim chance MDZ's contract is anywhere below 4.0 million. If the rumors are true about Subban getting 5.5, you can imagine that Del Zotto's agents will use that as a direct comparison.

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Mike Sauer will be placed on LTIR. This gives the Rangers an additional $1,250m in overage to use - if they want and need.
LTIR doesn't work that way. You have to use existing cap space first. Sauer's cap hit is 1.25 mil, but we will be more than that under the cap.

If we are at 70.2 mil at the time we put Sauer on LTIR, yes, then we could go up to 71.45 mil. But if we are at 66 mil, we get no benefit from putting Sauer on LTIR.

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Apart from the bolded above, this is accurate. There is a very slim chance MDZ's contract is anywhere below 4.0 million. If the rumors are true about Subban getting 5.5, you can imagine that Del Zotto's agents will use that as a direct comparison.
MDZ will likely only get a 2 year deal. He isn't getting 4 mil per on a 2 year deal.

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LTIR doesn't work that way. You have to use existing cap space first. Sauer's cap hit is 1.25 mil, but we will be more than that under the cap.

If we are at 70.2 mil at the time we put Sauer on LTIR, yes, then we could go up to 71.45 mil. But if we are at 66 mil, we get no benefit from putting Sauer on LTIR.
True dat. But Sauers LTIR cap space can in theory be used if deemed necessary. Not that I think it will be.

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True dat. But Sauers LTIR cap space can in theory be used if deemed necessary. Not that I think it will be.
Yes, if we don't put him on LTIR until we are up against the cap, we can then exceed the cap.

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Apart from the bolded above, this is accurate. There is a very slim chance MDZ's contract is anywhere below 4.0 million. If the rumors are true about Subban getting 5.5, you can imagine that Del Zotto's agents will use that as a direct comparison.
Michael del Zotto will not be getting Marc Staal money for this contract. He has no arbitration rights and Sather always hardballs his own young players this way. 2 years for $2,5 - $2,75 or 3 years for $3M. No more. We will see shortly... whatever way this goes

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What's changed from the last 2 years when Redden was on the AHL roster taking a roster spot and his SPC was part of the 50 SPC limit? Redden will be placed on waivers. He clears. His contract is assigned to the AHL. Rangers take the cap hit.
A lot has changed. You didn't have to worry about Redden getting hurt in the AHL. You didn't have to worry about his cap hit. Now you do.

So if he goes to the AHL and sits out, does that mean they are going to have to skate with 22 players? Or does he still count against the NHL roster and sit out? Meaning, they only have 22 players?

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A lot has changed. You didn't have to worry about Redden getting hurt in the AHL. You didn't have to worry about his cap hit. Now you do.

So if he goes to the AHL and sits out, does that mean they are going to have to skate with 22 players? Or does he still count against the NHL roster and sit out? Meaning, they only have 22 players?

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A lot has changed. You didn't have to worry about Redden getting hurt in the AHL. You didn't have to worry about his cap hit. Now you do.

So if he goes to the AHL and sits out, does that mean they are going to have to skate with 22 players? Or does he still count against the NHL roster and sit out? Meaning, they only have 22 players?
I think I brained my damage.

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I think I brained my damage.
So you're saying that Redden DIDN'T play in the AHL at any time last year or the year before that?

He's got to count against a roster somewhere (more than likely AHL). But that means he takes up a roster space. If the Rangers get hit with injuries (which could be likely as with any team with a short schedule), they could be looking at some trouble. They have 3 contract spots open and have a roster spot filled with a guy that they can't do anything with. That'll be fun for them.

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So you're saying that Redden DIDN'T play in the AHL at any time last year or the year before that?

He's got to count against a roster somewhere (more than likely AHL). But that means he takes up a roster space. If the Rangers get hit with injuries (which could be likely as with any team with a short schedule), they could be looking at some trouble. They have 3 contract spots open and have a roster spot filled with a guy that they can't do anything with. That'll be fun for them.
The Rangers have 13 Fwds (with Haley), 6 D (plus Sauer on LTIR) and 2 goalies signed right now. They most likely will sign Gilroy & MDZ soon. Filling up their quota on D with 8 players.
Wade Redden will be assigned to the minors, be getting paid handsomely, not be playing and yes, God forbid, taking up roster space on the Whale roster. Rangers still have 2 contracts left until the 50 contract limit. Yes, that will be fun.

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So you're saying that Redden DIDN'T play in the AHL at any time last year or the year before that?

He's got to count against a roster somewhere (more than likely AHL). But that means he takes up a roster space. If the Rangers get hit with injuries (which could be likely as with any team with a short schedule), they could be looking at some trouble. They have 3 contract spots open and have a roster spot filled with a guy that they can't do anything with. That'll be fun for them.
You give a player an AHL-only deal. Doesn't count against 50 SPCs. Problem solved.

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What difference is the 2013/14 season cap if the Rangers buy out Redden this summer. His contract is only a hindrance the rest of this season
If he gets hurt, there's a chance they're on the hook next year too...

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If he gets hurt, there's a chance they're on the hook next year too...
As per one of our beat writers, the Rangers already told him not to bother coming to camp. He'll get his check mailed to him at home. The Rangers won't risk him getting injured this year.

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You give a player an AHL-only deal. Doesn't count against 50 SPCs. Problem solved.
I believe the AHL can only have X amount of players signed to AHL only deals that don't count against the SPCs.

Be interesting to see what happens if injuries do happen, and what the Rangers would do if they have to shorten their bench.

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I believe the AHL can only have X amount of players signed to AHL only deals that don't count against the SPCs.

Be interesting to see what happens if injuries do happen, and what the Rangers would do if they have to shorten their bench.
Redden wasn't a problem before. That one contract won't be a huge deal now. There won't be any shortening of the bench. For crying out loud, we still have open contract spots and all we need is 1 player to replace Redden.

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The Rangers have given defenseman Wade Redden’s agent permission to speak to other NHL teams and arrange a trade, according to Larry Brooks of the New York Post.
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Looks like MSG will have the world's first most expensive waterboy.

Unless the Habs do this to Gomez.
Maybe the Rangers can trade Wade to MTL for


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Yeah the Rangers sure screwed him by continuing to fill his wallet with undeserved money.

No one forced him to sign that contract.
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How did they screw him? They gave him a huge, undeserved contract and he managed to play his way into the AHL on a team that was lacking defensive depth for a while. The Rangers didn't send him to the minors to spite him, they did it because he wasn't a viable NHL defensemen anymore.
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If that's the case then Wade is more than welcome to not report and void his contract and go sign with those teams. Otherwise he can wait till the summer till he gets his buy out.
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I hate golden parachutes. The reason above all that Wade wound up in the AHL was he could no longer compete for a job at the NHL level.
Wade Redden hasn't been ALLOWED to participate in Rangers training camp for three seasons.

As for an "undeserved" contract...

Redden had just finished 16th in Norris voting and 17th in AS voting when he signed the deal. Two years prior he was 5th in Norris voting and 6th in AS voting. The season before that? 10th/10th. Redden was a legitimate star defenseman. And that's crossing the 2005 lockout; he might well have earned an AS berth had the lockout not occurred.

And for "not competing at the NHL level" Redden scored ES points at a higher rate per 60 seconds in his last NHL season than teammate Michal Rosival, while also playing a more key role on the PK. Redden was the #5 ahead of Gilroy based on ice time, but was told not to come to camp the next season and every year following to this date.

How exactly did Redden play himself out? He was playing more at the end of the year than at the beginning; in 11 of his last 15 games he played above his season average. In 7 he was at least 60 seconds above, 6 for 90 seconds, and 3 for a full two minute gap.

It was also Torts' first season in New York. Perhaps there's more to it than "Redden wasn't good enough."

Especially when you look at things like the fact that the Rangers wouldn't have been able to add Richards without burying Redden. It's much more about Sather deciding that Redden isn't giving him back what he paid for (a Norris contender) and deciding that he needs to go out and use that money on someone else. If there were no cap, Redden would be playing in the NHL this season and the past couple. But with the new cap rules, he might play this year and will definitely play next year.

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I think some team near the floor will make a deal where the rangers pick up half his contract

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I think some team near the floor will make a deal where the rangers pick up half his contract
Why would the Rangers do that?

Rangers are in trouble if any part of Redden's cap hit remains past this season.. too many RFAs to sign with the decreased cap.

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