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01-11-2013, 03:52 PM
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That silly Darche, still expecting an offer to come in.

Maybe from an AHL club.
He said it's NHL or retirement for him.

The contract rumor is just that. A rumor. Nothing signed yet.

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01-11-2013, 03:53 PM
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Didn't we give hammer 5.5mil a year a few years ago? I'll take PK at 5.5 anymore then that and i'll complain
Actually the rumored deal is the exact same contract we gave Hamrlik. Hammer was overpaid but within reason, so yes, same idea.

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There's a report in MTL saying PK Subban has agreed to a 4yr, $22M deal. His agent tells me that's not true. Said: "No deal has been done."
I find it silly how people are jumping the gun. Contracts CAN NOT be signed right now...

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01-11-2013, 03:55 PM
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I find it silly how people are jumping the gun. Contracts CAN NOT be signed right now...
It's reported as a rumour. We all know.

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01-11-2013, 03:56 PM
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Can't report as fact, but hearing from 1 credible source, would not be surprised if #Habs announce new deal for PK Subban 4 yrs, 22 mil

Not exactly a ringing endorsement for his scoop.

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01-11-2013, 04:00 PM
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't a 4 year deal take him to UFA? If so I really don't like this at all. That being said, it is just a rumour so it's hard to judge yet.

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What a bad contract if true........That mean we would maybe lost PK in less then 4 years......That would be a first bad move by Bergevin.

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Can't report as fact, but hearing from 1 credible source, would not be surprised if #Habs announce new deal for PK Subban 4 yrs, 22 mil

Not exactly a ringing endorsement for his scoop.
Who's Rod Francis?

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01-11-2013, 04:01 PM
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In a previous post, I showed that this deal would represent 8.55% of the cap at most. Assuming that your entire top 6, your top 2 Ds and your starting goalie have the exact same deal, you will have 23% of the cap left to build the rest of your team. This is the worst case scenario (next year).

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01-11-2013, 04:03 PM
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Sounds like maybe some guy spitballed a number on some show, then others jumped on that as a "source". Seems to be the way these things work in this twittered up world.

4 yrs would be really dumb for the Habs. I don't mind the $5.5M, but as others say, 2 or 8 are the "sensible" terms for the Habs. The contract structure I'd support on a long term deal is more like $5-5-6-6-7-7-7-7M. That's $50M/8yrs or a $6.25M cap hit. But the first 4 years is the same as this. The next 4 anticipate both a rise in his impact and a recovery and re-inflation for the league in general. That's a much better deal for the Habs than $22M/4yrs would be. And if PK wants term, that ought to be better for him too.

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01-11-2013, 04:04 PM
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There's a report in MTL saying PK Subban has agreed to a 4yr, $22M deal. His agent tells me that's not true. Said: "No deal has been done."
Does not mean an agreement is not in place. A deal can only be done after ratification.

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01-11-2013, 04:04 PM
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01-11-2013, 04:12 PM
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PK is no fool. Habs sign him he wins. Habs trade him he wins. The poop storm that would be created by trading him would cost more than giving him the money. IMO

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01-11-2013, 04:21 PM
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What a bad contract if true........That mean we would maybe lost PK in less then 4 years......That would be a first bad move by Bergevin.
But you'll have him for sure for 4. You guys are hard to please.

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01-11-2013, 04:27 PM
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What a bad contract if true........That mean we would maybe lost PK in less then 4 years......That would be a first bad move by Bergevin.
Itd be more than bad. Four years is the worst term MB could sign PK to as that just eats up his RFA years. Anything else would be better for term. MB seems pretty sharp and I just cant see him doing this.

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What a bad contract if true........That mean we would maybe lost PK in less then 4 years......That would be a first bad move by Bergevin.
Not a bad contract. If he takes the next step as a player, he'll get the big money. We'll just pay him then instead of now, when we're sure.

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01-11-2013, 04:34 PM
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Not a bad contract. If he takes the next step as a player, he'll get the big money. We'll just pay him then instead of now, when we're sure.
Not trying to be a smartarse or anything...but with 5.5M cap hit you don't think we're paying him now?

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01-11-2013, 04:35 PM
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Subban is, by far, one of my favorite players but if he refuses to accept the team structure, I would be willing to ship him out of town. Subban must not forget that the (that the... is it acceptable in English? It sounds weird... ) contractual team structure's main objective is to build a contender. The question is not "Does the team see me in its future" (as he mentioned on Twitter); it is "Is Subban willing to make a sacrifice in an effort to build a contender"... imo!
That's ridiculous. You don't ship out a player because he wants a longer deal than 2 years. I mean, if it's an unproven player with doubts, then okay, I get it, but if it's a star player, you freaking negotiate and if you need to budge, so be it.
You also can't expect every player to make a sacrifice, they have every single right to want the most possible cash.
You never negotiated a contract for employment? You negotiate to get what you feel you deserve, especially when you know you are worth every penny you're asking.

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Not sure why some of you are acting like this is done. Again, I heard Francis say it live, he was clear that it was something he had heard from someone who may or not may not be credible. They are not reporting this as a done deal.
God the media in Mtl surrounding hockey is garbage.
So, I'm walking down the streets, a guy in a suit walks by talking on his cell phone saying PK for 4y at 5.5M. That may or may not be a credible source...
Awesome reporting..


If it is true though, I have no problem with it.

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01-11-2013, 04:36 PM
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Not trying to be a smartarse or anything...but with 5.5M cap hit you don't think we're paying him now?
If he keeps improving, he'll make a lot more than 5.5 and 20ish Millions.

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If he keeps improving, he'll make a lot more than 5.5 and 20ish Millions.
Sure, but 5.5M is more than adequate for his performance now in my opinion.

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01-11-2013, 04:41 PM
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What a bad contract if true........That mean we would maybe lost PK in less then 4 years......That would be a first bad move by Bergevin.
Its really impossible to tell.

PK also has to agree to the deal. PK might not want his contract to go into free agency.

There is also huge risk in short term deals especially with young players of Subbans potential. The likelihood his cap hit increases on short deals is almost a guarantee. If Pk keeps signing short deals, by year three his agent will be telling him to only accept 1 year so he becomes a free agent.

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Actually the rumored deal is the exact same contract we gave Hamrlik. Hammer was overpaid but within reason, so yes, same idea.
I would resign Hamrlik for the same contract 100 times out of 100.

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01-11-2013, 04:46 PM
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Sure, but 5.5M is more than adequate for his performance now in my opinion.
You get paid based on what you have accomplished but also on what you will do. In PK's case, that 5.5M hit could turn out to be a discount.

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Not a bad contract. If he takes the next step as a player, he'll get the big money. We'll just pay him then instead of now, when we're sure.
If true, it's a little on the high end of fair, but I'd be thrilled to have him signed for 4 more years.

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But you'll have him for sure for 4. You guys are hard to please.
It's about RFA status. In 4 years he will be UFA, in 2 years he will be RFA. The problem lies with do we give a long term deal and he never becomes worth it. It's possible that he becomes a mega superstar on a 2 year deal where we will have to pony up maybe league maximum. A lot of risk versus reward. Subban will be signed, but I fear 4 years may be a bigger risk seeing as in 4 years he can talk with any team regarding a new contract.

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