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01-11-2013, 08:11 AM
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Was- Franzen

Det- Schultz, Tom Wilson

Detroit gets a LD and good young banger prospect.
Wash adds some goal scoring.

Schultz could be a deal breaker but on the D side Carlson and Alzner are practically untouchable.

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01-11-2013, 08:21 AM
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I want something better way better than Schultz and something more right handed or someone who can play RD other than Schultz. If not, then no dice.

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01-11-2013, 08:31 AM
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I want something better way better than Schultz and something more right handed or someone who can play RD other than Schultz. If not, then no dice.
Doubt Washington touches this either, not many teams trade a first round pick (Wilson) that quickly. I think the Wings would target Orlov especially if they were considering left-handed d-man which is doubtful, if they did talk Washington D-man.


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01-11-2013, 08:44 AM
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Franzen is signed till 41, right? No, thanks.

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01-11-2013, 08:59 AM
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Franzen's contract gives me pause, but this is a deal I could very much live with as a Washington fan. Would really help solidify our top six.

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Doubt Washington touches this either, not many teams trade a first round pick (Wilson) that quickly. I think the Wings would target Orlov especially if they were considering left-handed d-man which is doubtful, if they did talk Washington D-man.
Orlov is a left-shot, but plays much better on the right side than the left.

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Detroit gets fleeced. No thanks.

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01-11-2013, 09:18 AM
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It's actually a bad trade for both sides.
Caps get a scorer, yes, but a one-dimensional scorer who couldn't crack 30 goals on Datsyuk's wing, also on a very doubt-making contract and not that young already. All this for a great prospect, basically - not a great move.
DRW lose their proven scorer who's signed with them for lifetime, getting back some prospect and dead weight in Schultz. Too risky, upside questionnable.

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01-11-2013, 10:19 AM
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I am not very keen on giving up Franzen for a prospect and a dman that a lot of Washington fans would have given away for free. If there is not a better package for Franzen the Wings should keep him.

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01-11-2013, 10:34 AM
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It's actually a bad trade for both sides.
Caps get a scorer, yes, but a one-dimensional scorer who couldn't crack 30 goals on Datsyuk's wing, also on a very doubt-making contract and not that young already. All this for a great prospect, basically - not a great move.
DRW lose their proven scorer who's signed with them for lifetime, getting back some prospect and dead weight in Schultz. Too risky, upside questionnable.
How exactly is Franzen one dimensional? That is just a disgruntled wings fan rubish. Franzen is quite multi-dimensional.

1. He spent his early career as a large shut down center before finding his scoring touch. Can still play center if needed on a 3rd line.
2. He scores dirty goals. Rebound, Deflections, Garbage fairly consistently.
3. He has a strong wrister with a quick release off the rush.
4. He has size though does not always use it. (50/50).
5. Gets a reputation as a floater cause he makes it look easy but steps up in the playoffs, always.
6. He is not slow.
7. He is not bad defensively.
8. He is consistently around 30 goals with or without datsyuk
10. He plays wing or center.
11. Adequate faceoff man (though pretty bad last year 45% but was 55% in 2011).

Guy is a top 6 forward on any team in the league just because of his versatility. He is a grinder or a scorer. He was not named the Mule by Stevie Y for nothing.

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01-11-2013, 10:48 AM
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If the caps wanted a scoring winger for there top 6 they would of resigned semin rather than take on franzens contract of similar value

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01-11-2013, 11:36 AM
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If the caps wanted a scoring winger for there top 6 they would of resigned semin rather than take on franzens contract of similar value

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You can have Schultz straight up as long as you take on his contract.

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01-11-2013, 02:49 PM
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If Franzen's floatiness doesn't infect his linemates I'd totally do it, even add a bunch of meaningless crap like Galiev and 2nd round picks that Detroit could turn into gold on their own. Only reason I can see them doing it is they need to clear space for forward prospects or really like Tom Wilson.

Franzen-Johansson-Forsberg would be a hell of a 3rd line.

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If Franzen's floatiness doesn't infect his linemates I'd totally do it, even add a bunch of meaningless crap like Galiev and 2nd round picks that Detroit could turn into gold on their own. Only reason I can see them doing it is they need to clear space for forward prospects or really like Tom Wilson.

Franzen-Johansson-Forsberg would be a hell of a 3rd line.
Ovechkin-Backstrom-Kuznetsov
Galiev-Laich/Ribeiro-Brouwer

I'm guessing that's how you see the top 6 in couple years?

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01-11-2013, 05:04 PM
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so far galiev stinks in the ahl. i wouldnt project him as an nhl;r yet

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Ovechkin-Backstrom-Kuznetsov
Galiev-Laich/Ribeiro-Brouwer

I'm guessing that's how you see the top 6 in couple years?
More or less.

Ideally I'd trade Laich + futures for Ryan or try to get Perry and get one of Weiss or Zajac for the 2C spot. Ship Ward off somewhere.

Ovechkin Backstrom Kuznetsov
Brouwer Weiss/Zajac Ryan/Perry
Franzen Johansson Forsberg
Chimera Beagle Hendricks

Realistically we could have (assuming this trade goes through in some form or another)

Ovechkin Ribeiro Brouwer
Laich Backstrom Kuznetsov
Franzen Johansson Forsberg


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01-11-2013, 09:47 PM
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How exactly is Franzen one dimensional? That is just a disgruntled wings fan rubish. Franzen is quite multi-dimensional.

1. He spent his early career as a large shut down center before finding his scoring touch. Can still play center if needed on a 3rd line.
2. He scores dirty goals. Rebound, Deflections, Garbage fairly consistently.
3. He has a strong wrister with a quick release off the rush.
4. He has size though does not always use it. (50/50).
5. Gets a reputation as a floater cause he makes it look easy but steps up in the playoffs, always.
6. He is not slow.
7. He is not bad defensively.
8. He is consistently around 30 goals with or without datsyuk
10. He plays wing or center.
11. Adequate faceoff man (though pretty bad last year 45% but was 55% in 2011).

Guy is a top 6 forward on any team in the league just because of his versatility. He is a grinder or a scorer. He was not named the Mule by Stevie Y for nothing.
OK, I guess I didn't word it right. He may not be one-dimensional. but he'd be only valuable for the Caps as a scoring winger, the only thing he really stands out at is scoring.

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so far galiev stinks in the ahl. i wouldnt project him as an nhl;r yet
Go go box score scouting!

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Laich and futures for Ryan haha

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Franzen's contract is almost untradeable.

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How exactly is Franzen one dimensional? That is just a disgruntled wings fan rubish. Franzen is quite multi-dimensional.

2. He scores dirty goals. Rebound, Deflections, Garbage fairly consistently.
This is incorrect. He does not score garbage goals. Holmstrom scored garbage goals. Franzen plays a perimeter game; he generally doesn't go to the front. That's why Bertuzzi was on the line. Or Cleary.

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4. He has size though does not always use it. (50/50).
Never uses it. He plays like he's 5-9, 175.

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5. Gets a reputation as a floater cause he makes it look easy but steps up in the playoffs, always.
HA. No, he gets a reputation as a floater because he doesn't work hard on the ice. As for stepping it up, he has simply failed to do o the past two playoffs and was one of the team's most ineffective players last playoff.

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7. He is not bad defensively.
He is perfectly capable of defensive play and showed that when he played the role of checking center. But when he moved to the wing and moved into a scoring role, he simply gave up on his defensive responsibilities. He doesn't even give an effort in his own zone.

http://nhl.cdn.neulion.net/u/videoce.../play_sm_s.gif

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8. He is consistently around 30 goals with or without datsyuk
He hasn't spent the majority of a season without Datsyuk as his "regular" center since 2008-09, when he played with Zetterberg and Cleary and the first line was Holmstrom/Datsyuk/Hossa.

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Guy is a top 6 forward on any team in the league just because of his versatility. He is a grinder or a scorer. He was not named the Mule by Stevie Y for nothing.
He was named the Mule because he was actually working hard. He does not now live up to his nickname; he's better called the Jackass with the way he has played the past couple of seasons. Many Wings fans like to excuse his lazy, inconsistent play in the regular season with "he'll show up in the playoffs and be a huge performer." Well, he hasn't done that. What's the excuse? Franzen once upon a time was a defensive player, so clearly he knows how to play defense? Val Filppula was not so great defensively at ES last year either, playing from the wing. In the past he has been a quite capable defensive center.

All of that said... this is a terrible deal. Franzen is a top-six scorer. He is inconsistent, and has a long deal. But when he is on he is absolutely dominant. Realistically he should be able to himself, or for the most part bring back a top-pair defenseman like Bouwmeester or someone of similar level. To Washington for Schultz and a prospect is almost as bad as giving away Hudler for free.

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This is incorrect. He does not score garbage goals. Holmstrom scored garbage goals. Franzen plays a perimeter game; he generally doesn't go to the front. That's why Bertuzzi was on the line. Or Cleary.



Never uses it. He plays like he's 5-9, 175.



HA. No, he gets a reputation as a floater because he doesn't work hard on the ice. As for stepping it up, he has simply failed to do o the past two playoffs and was one of the team's most ineffective players last playoff.



He is perfectly capable of defensive play and showed that when he played the role of checking center. But when he moved to the wing and moved into a scoring role, he simply gave up on his defensive responsibilities. He doesn't even give an effort in his own zone.

http://nhl.cdn.neulion.net/u/videoce.../play_sm_s.gif



He hasn't spent the majority of a season without Datsyuk as his "regular" center since 2008-09, when he played with Zetterberg and Cleary and the first line was Holmstrom/Datsyuk/Hossa.



He was named the Mule because he was actually working hard. He does not now live up to his nickname; he's better called the Jackass with the way he has played the past couple of seasons. Many Wings fans like to excuse his lazy, inconsistent play in the regular season with "he'll show up in the playoffs and be a huge performer." Well, he hasn't done that. What's the excuse? Franzen once upon a time was a defensive player, so clearly he knows how to play defense? Val Filppula was not so great defensively at ES last year either, playing from the wing. In the past he has been a quite capable defensive center.
Completely and utterly wrong on every point. Franzen first broke out taking Holmstroms spot scoring garbage goals and deflecting... That was how he became a scorer (due to a holmstrom injury) I wont even waste time with the rest of your garbage. Do you even watch the red wings?

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Completely and utterly wrong on every point. Franzen first broke out taking Holmstroms spot scoring garbage goals and deflecting... That was how he became a scorer (due to a holmstrom injury) I wont even waste time with the rest of your garbage. Do you even watch the red wings?

Its only Eva.... ask him what he thinks about Hudler...

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This is incorrect. He does not score garbage goals. Holmstrom scored garbage goals. Franzen plays a perimeter game; he generally doesn't go to the front. That's why Bertuzzi was on the line. Or Cleary.



Never uses it. He plays like he's 5-9, 175.



HA. No, he gets a reputation as a floater because he doesn't work hard on the ice. As for stepping it up, he has simply failed to do o the past two playoffs and was one of the team's most ineffective players last playoff.



He is perfectly capable of defensive play and showed that when he played the role of checking center. But when he moved to the wing and moved into a scoring role, he simply gave up on his defensive responsibilities. He doesn't even give an effort in his own zone.

http://nhl.cdn.neulion.net/u/videoce.../play_sm_s.gif



He hasn't spent the majority of a season without Datsyuk as his "regular" center since 2008-09, when he played with Zetterberg and Cleary and the first line was Holmstrom/Datsyuk/Hossa.



He was named the Mule because he was actually working hard. He does not now live up to his nickname; he's better called the Jackass with the way he has played the past couple of seasons. Many Wings fans like to excuse his lazy, inconsistent play in the regular season with "he'll show up in the playoffs and be a huge performer." Well, he hasn't done that. What's the excuse? Franzen once upon a time was a defensive player, so clearly he knows how to play defense? Val Filppula was not so great defensively at ES last year either, playing from the wing. In the past he has been a quite capable defensive center.

All of that said... this is a terrible deal. Franzen is a top-six scorer. He is inconsistent, and has a long deal. But when he is on he is absolutely dominant. Realistically he should be able to himself, or for the most part bring back a top-pair defenseman like Bouwmeester or someone of similar level. To Washington for Schultz and a prospect is almost as bad as giving away Hudler for free.
So let me get this straight...

Franzen is the laziest player ever, sucks defensively, is a floater, plays a perimeter game, plays like he's 5'9 175, and never scores garbage goals... yet he's worth a top-pairing defenseman.

Something isn't right here...

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