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01-11-2013, 06:13 PM
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I really believe that the New CBA hurts Vancouvers ability to trade Luongo.

I dont think they will feel comfortable trading him away and have him potentially retire early and come back as a cap hit to vancouver. That being said I think he is a prime candidate to be amnestied simply because of the contract and nothing else.

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Well either way we should find out soon enough tomorrow we could find out some more leaked info on what a trade could look like once Sunday rolls around. Or we wait until Sunday or Monday to see what happens. This has to happen sooner than later, camps open officially tomorrow and the first day to be able to do trades is Sunday. I just want this thing over with so we can move on to other rumours.
Not me, i want them to stay w both keepers til the deadline
A) compressed sched means more back to backs, huge advantage
B) more teams in the mix, better for gillis

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I really believe that the New CBA hurts Vancouvers ability to trade Luongo.

I dont think they will feel comfortable trading him away and have him potentially retire early and come back as a cap hit to vancouver. That being said I think he is a prime candidate to be amnestied simply because of the contract and nothing else.
we are not going to amnesty Luongo

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Younger, cheaper, not washed up, head not like a soft cantelope
So... injury is the only material on-ice impact that differentiates them.

- By retaining 50% salary, Connolly ($2.38m) becomes cheaper than Gagner ($3.25m).
- Toronto is more than willing to include youth upside in a deal in the form of any prospect not named Rielly.
- "Not washed up" doesn't actually describe anything related to the player's current or future impact.

Add to that, Connolly is a superior 2-way player, and the fact that we're talking about a short term replacement for an injured player, and Toronto should be able to beat Gagner quite easily.

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I really believe that the New CBA hurts Vancouvers ability to trade Luongo. I dont think they will feel comfortable trading him away and have him potentially retire early and come back as a cap hit to vancouver. That being said I think he is a prime candidate to be amnestied simply because of the contract and nothing else.
I think it's fairly neutral. The team acquiring him won't be on the hook for much cap hit of he retires early.

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Then honestly... trade Luongo to Chicago for Bolland, and leave us alone already. They arguably need Luongo more than we do.

As for Gagner, what in your view substantially differentiates his contributions from Connolly?
i didnt drag you into the thread, buddy

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So... injury is the only material on-ice impact that differentiates them.

- By retaining 50% salary, Connolly ($2.38m) becomes cheaper than Gagner ($3.25m).
- Toronto is more than willing to include youth upside in a deal in the form of any prospect not named Rielly.
- "Not washed up" doesn't actually describe anything related to the player's current or future impact.
Look. Some of us watch the Leaf games. Connolly's not useless but he rarely plays and he's not much help to a top team. If you want to dump some salary like Connolly then you'll have to throw Gardiner or the 1st in the deal. You aren't going to get away with convincing any one that every TO player is great. Your team struggled last year for a reason and some of the reason is that some of your players are just not that good. You have some good pieces and a good prospect pool but there is a lot of baggage on the team.

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So... injury is the only material on-ice impact that differentiates them.

- By retaining 50% salary, Connolly ($2.38m) becomes cheaper than Gagner ($3.25m).
- Toronto is more than willing to include youth upside in a deal in the form of any prospect not named Rielly.
- "Not washed up" doesn't actually describe anything related to the player's current or future impact.

Add to that, Connolly is a superior 2-way player, and the fact that we're talking about a short term replacement for an injured player, and Toronto should be able to beat Gagner quite easily.
If you paid half his salary i might take him over bozak, given theyre both ufas, but thats really just a reflection of how little i think of bozak, and really either is just a throw in. Gagner is 23, rfa, up-trending, no comparison.

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01-11-2013, 06:22 PM
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Look. Some of us watch the Leaf games. Connolly's not useless but he rarely plays and he's not much help to a top team. If you want to dump some salary like Connoly then you'll hav eto throw Gardiner or the 1st in the deal. You aren't going to get away with convincing any one that every TO player is great.
No need to dump salary. For starters, we'd be retaining 50% of his.

Connolly isn't great by any stretch of the imagination, he's simply a middle-of-the-lineup centre who's versatile, with the proven ability to produce at high levels in the NHL when healthy, and playing alongside a winger who can put the puck in the net.

Considering Vancouver's lack of depth at centre, and the injury to Ryan Kesler, he would certainly fill the Canucks' biggest need. Unless you don't consider Vancouver a top team, then yes, he's help to a top team.

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If you paid half his salary i might take him over bozak, given theyre both ufas, but thats really just a reflection of how little i think of bozak, and really either is just a throw in. Gagner is 23, rfa, up-trending, no comparison.
What to you about Sam Gagner's game suggests uptrending? his 5th straight season at somewhere between 40 and 49 points?

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Our of curiosity... who's the centre that Vancouver would want (from any team), if we ignored that team's lack of need for Luongo?
If there is no constraints, Crosby....

3rd line center, Bolland Sutter come to mind, could I get Staal? Couture?

If we are talking in a Luongo deal?

Well... from TO Bozak, CHI Bolland, FLA Goc? PHI Schenn???, EDM Ganger, SJ well doubt they move one, CBJ not sure.

Is that an exceptable answer?

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Look. Some of us watch the Leaf games. Connolly's not useless but he rarely plays and he's not much help to a top team. If you want to dump some salary like Connolly then you'll have to throw Gardiner or the 1st in the deal. You aren't going to get away with convincing any one that every TO player is great. Your team struggled last year for a reason and some of the reason is that some of your players are just not that good. You have some good pieces and a good prospect pool but there is a lot of baggage on the team.
Our team struggled for 20 games to end the year. We were in the playoffs up until early February.

We don't need to dump salary.. and we could just buy out Connolly if we wanted to.

This forum really needs to close the Luongo threads. It's been the same people just bashing and pretending to be GMs of teams for 6 months. HOW ABOUT WE ALL SHUT UP AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS?

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01-11-2013, 06:25 PM
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If there is no constraints, Crosby....

3rd line center, Bolland Sutter come to mind, could I get Staal? Couture?

If we are talking in a Luongo deal?

Well... from TO Bozak, CHI Bolland, FLA Goc? PHI Schenn???, EDM Ganger, SJ well doubt they move one, CBJ not sure.

Is that an exceptable answer?
Sounds like you should trade Luongo to Chicago. Perhaps one of their fans will show interest?

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01-11-2013, 06:26 PM
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No need to dump salary. For starters, we'd be retaining 50% of his.

Connolly isn't great by any stretch of the imagination, he's simply a middle-of-the-lineup centre who's versatile, with the proven ability to produce at high levels in the NHL when healthy, and playing alongside a winger who can put the puck in the net.

Considering Vancouver's lack of depth at centre, and the injury to Ryan Kesler, he would certainly fill the Canucks' biggest need. Unless you don't consider Vancouver a top team, then yes, he's help to a top team.
OK. Let me type this slowly for you. Bozak is not a top line center and Connolly is not a 'middle of the lineup' center on a competing team. You're trying to oversell your players. You were in the lottery for a reason and that is because your team has many weaknesses.
As for our lack of depth at center: Sedin, Kesler, Lappierre, Malhotra and Schroeder/Ebbett may not be top of the league but it's a darn bit better than the Leafs. Anyways I'm through with you.

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Does it contradict my point that Lou could not lead bad teams to playoffs? Because this is what Van fans preached all along...

If this argument is not opposed then it puts Leafs 1rp in big jeopardy to be lottery pick and quite frankly Leafs need it more than Van.
He can lead bad teams to the playoffs. Look at the 06-07 Canucks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006%E2...Canucks_season), that's a bad team.

That's the same year he was nominated for the Hart.

Toronto with him is in, without him is not.

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We're going to have to face Boston 5-6 times this year, Luongo vs Boston doesn't exactly give me faith.

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I'm sorry, we are not taking Connolly of your hands for you, Bozak, Kadri Pick is the lowest for it to make sense for the canucks

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OK. Let me type this slowly for you. Bozak is not a top line center and Connolly is not a 'middle of the lineup' center on a competing team. You're trying to oversell your players. You were in the lottery for a reason and that is because your team has many weaknesses.
As for our lack of depth at center: Sedin, Kesler, Lappierre, Malhotra and Schroeder/Ebbett may not be top of the league but it's a darn bit better than the Leafs. Anyways I'm through with you.
Ok... let me type this slowly for you.

Tyler Bozak and Tim Connolly would both be the #2 centre in Vancouver until Kesler returns, at which point they would become the #3. So either, they're capable of being middle-of-the-lineup centres on a competing team, or Vancouver isn't competing.

As for your depth at centre... it looks like ####. You've got one of the top centres in the league, a high quality 2nd line centre who's injured, and bottom of the lineup role players (a faceoff specialist and agitator).

Better than the Leafs as a group? probably.
Better than the Leafs in the top half? without a doubt.
Better than the Leafs in the bottom half? not a chance.

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I'm sorry, we are not taking Connolly of your hands for you, Bozak, Kadri Pick is the lowest for it to make sense for the canucks
Based on what? Is another team prepared to offer a deal that is close to that value? are the Canucks prepared to buy out Luongo? Are they prepared to take expectedly less value while accumulating more future cap liability by trading him later?

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Sounds like you should trade Luongo to Chicago. Perhaps one of their fans will show interest?
The rumors had them offering him, the few fans that have entered, well I only remember one, and he was against anything Canucks, so that says something.

But I personally am not interested in him. I don't think his personality fits our team. I also think he is dumb. If we trade to Chicago, it has to be something better. If you could prove Hossa was healthy, then maybe.

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Then honestly... trade Luongo to Chicago for Bolland, and leave us alone already. They arguably need Luongo more than we do.
ok wait, Chicago needs goaltending more than Toronto does?

you guys need your heads checked. YOU DONT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS YEAR AFTER YEAR - why? because you can't keep the puck our of your net.

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The rumors had them offering him, the few fans that have entered, well I only remember one, and he was against anything Canucks, so that says something.

But I personally am not interested in him. I don't think his personality fits our team. I also think he is dumb. If we trade to Chicago, it has to be something better. If you could prove Hossa was healthy, then maybe.
So you don't want to trade with Chicago, their fans don't want to trade with you. Assuming the GMs agree, what's your suggestion for where you trade Luongo given that he doesn't hold the value to get "what you want" out of Toronto?

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ok wait, Chicago needs goaltending more than Toronto does?

you guys need your heads checked. YOU DONT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS YEAR AFTER YEAR - why? because you can't keep the puck our of your net.
Corey Crawford... James Reimer....pretty much a wash.

Chicago has the team infront of him to contend for a cup. They would stand to benefit much more from adding Luongo.

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The rumors had them offering him, the few fans that have entered, well I only remember one, and he was against anything Canucks, so that says something.

But I personally am not interested in him. I don't think his personality fits our team. I also think he is dumb. If we trade to Chicago, it has to be something better. If you could prove Hossa was healthy, then maybe.
Hahahaha Hossa for Luongo. Maybe Lu won't go for scraps but don't expect players like Hossa/couts/b.schenn/rielly/gardiner. Luongo doesn't fetch any of those players. Pierre LeBrun was just on prime time sports and said there is no chance Luongo garners that return.

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ok wait, Chicago needs goaltending more than Toronto does?you guys need your heads checked. YOU DONT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS YEAR AFTER YEAR - why? because you can't keep the puck our of your net.
When you have Scrivens/Reimer in net the last thing you need is another goalie.
They made even the Monster expendible

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So you don't want to trade with Chicago, their fans don't want to trade with you. Assuming the GMs agree, what's your suggestion for where you trade Luongo given that he doesn't hold the value to get "what you want" out of Toronto?
That's your opinion.

My asking price has been the same, value of:
Roster player
good prospect
1st

For Toronto, something like Bozak, Kadri, 1st/Finn and a 2nd


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Hahahaha Hossa for Luongo. Maybe Lu won't go for scraps but don't expect players like Hossa/couts/b.schenn/rielly/gardiner. Luongo doesn't fetch any of those players. Pierre LeBrun was just on prime time sports and said there is no chance Luongo garners that return.
I would say, the media is funny, I remember one it was first speculated that Lui was going to be traded they were saying cap dump plus. Now, you have people like Dreger saying Bozak Kadri draft pick, the price has been high, and will be higher than you want, I doubt it is Hossa, or Chicago for that matter.

Read above for my expected return.

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