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01-10-2013, 12:01 PM
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Have you seen Phoenix's forward core? Pathetic. More so than usual. And again I don't see Mike Smith playing like last year again.

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01-10-2013, 12:50 PM
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One thing I find interesting is that without Kesler (injury) and Luongo (pending trade) we may see Vancouver slip a little bit, if Minny doesn't explode we could actually compete for the division this year. I still put us ahead of Edmonton, and I think Colorado but thats a tougher call.

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01-10-2013, 01:19 PM
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Have you seen Phoenix's forward core? Pathetic. More so than usual. And again I don't see Mike Smith playing like last year again.
Yeah, it's almost as bad as Calgary's centre depth...

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01-10-2013, 01:27 PM
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Yeah, it's almost as bad as Calgary's centre depth...


What's wrong with this guy?

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What's wrong with this guy?
Other than that he looks like he's a kid who just had his Halloween candy stolen?

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01-10-2013, 03:11 PM
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Matt Stajan is so bad

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01-10-2013, 03:49 PM
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I agree with Flames Fanatic's western conference assessment. The 4th to 8th spots in the western conference is up for grabs by half the conference, similiar to last year's situation.

The Flames are just as "capable" as they were years prior, but considering it's a shortened season and has only intra-conference games, it will be a tight race.

The Flames can finally prove if their winning woes were a product of a boring system that very few players bought into, or if their lack of playoff berths are caused by a complacent aging core. This is a rebuild or win year, period.

Bouwmeester, Backlund, Stajan, Iginla and probably a few others will have a different looking season now that Brent Sutter isn't calling the plays. Perhaps Kipper will have a bad season, perhaps he'll be less relied upon.

Too many questions to completely rule out the possibilities....

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01-10-2013, 04:03 PM
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I agree with Flames Fanatic's western conference assessment. The 4th to 8th spots in the western conference is up for grabs by half the conference, similiar to last year's situation.

The Flames are just as "capable" as they were years prior, but considering it's a shortened season and has only intra-conference games, it will be a tight race.

The Flames can finally prove if their winning woes were a product of a boring system that very few players bought into, or if their lack of playoff berths are caused by a complacent aging core. This is a rebuild or win year, period.

Bouwmeester, Backlund, Stajan, Iginla and probably a few others will have a different looking season now that Brent Sutter isn't calling the plays. Perhaps Kipper will have a bad season, perhaps he'll be less relied upon.

Too many questions to completely rule out the possibilities....
Nevertheless, add in new guys Bart, Cervenka and Hudler and this is a really intriguing season. I am very excited to watch how it unfolds.

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01-10-2013, 04:08 PM
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Nevertheless, add in new guys Bart, Cervenka and Hudler and this is a really intriguing season. I am very excited to watch how it unfolds.
Not to mention most likely the biggest addition is Hartley. He loves to let his top players play offense, he also likes to let his defenseman join the rush this could be a big year for Jbo.

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01-10-2013, 04:11 PM
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I'm think we are gonna make the playoffs but we are out in the first round aganist Canucks.

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For what it's worth, here is the Western Conference records against other Western Conference Teams from 2011/12

RankTeamWLOTLPTS vs. W
1Vancouver4016888
2Nashville40195 85
3Detroit 3821581
4St. Louis 35 20 9 79
5Phoenix 34 20 10 78
6Los Angeles 33 20 11 77
7Chicago 33 23 8 74
8Calgary 31 22 11 73
9San Jose 31 24 9 71
10Dallas 34 28 2 70
11Minnesota 30 27 7 67
12Colorado 28 31 5 61
13Anaheim 26 30 8 60
14Edmonton 24 33 7 55
15Columbus 23 37 4 50

I'd take 8th place.

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01-10-2013, 05:13 PM
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For what it's worth, here is the Western Conference records against other Western Conference Teams from 2011/12

RankTeamWLOTLPTS vs. W
1Vancouver4016888
2Nashville40195 85
3Detroit 3821581
4St. Louis 35 20 9 79
5Phoenix 34 20 10 78
6Los Angeles 33 20 11 77
7Chicago 33 23 8 74
8Calgary 31 22 11 73
9San Jose 31 24 9 71
10Dallas 34 28 2 70
11Minnesota 30 27 7 67
12Colorado 28 31 5 61
13Anaheim 26 30 8 60
14Edmonton 24 33 7 55
15Columbus 23 37 4 50

I'd take 8th place.
I completely forgot how many games we lost in overtime. I'm sure had we won even 50% of our shoot-out losses, we would've made the playoffs. Man we were terrible. Glencross slapped the puck at the goalie's logo, while Olli did the same old left-right deke and then went 5-hole.

Tangs was Ok and Iginla was snake-bitten despite a respectable attempt at switching up his routine from the constant wrist shot.

Hudler, Cervenka, and Baertchi could help our OT problems. Plus Hartely might help our guys regain their offensive confidence and creativity.

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01-10-2013, 05:39 PM
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I completely forgot how many games we lost in overtime. I'm sure had we won even 50% of our shoot-out losses, we would've made the playoffs. Man we were terrible. Glencross slapped the puck at the goalie's logo, while Olli did the same old left-right deke and then went 5-hole.

Tangs was Ok and Iginla was snake-bitten despite a respectable attempt at switching up his routine from the constant wrist shot.

Hudler, Cervenka, and Baertchi could help our OT problems. Plus Hartely might help our guys regain their offensive confidence and creativity.
Shootouts last year....

That's one immediate impact we'll see out of Hudler I think. Guy's a great finisher that scores sneaky timely goals that just **** you off, glad he's on our side now Not talking just about SO, but playing in general. WE NEED GOALS

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01-10-2013, 05:40 PM
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Shootouts last year....

That's one immediate impact we'll see out of Hudler I think. Guy's a great finisher that scores sneaky timely goals that just **** you off, glad he's on our side now
Also Sven should help as well as will never seeing Jokinen take one again

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Sidenote, Nashville manhandled the West last year holy...

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Playing half a season may be the key. Maybe we wont see the season ending slump. I say 8th out in round one. 9th or worse if Iggy has his usual slow start.

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The start of the season is going to decide who is in and who is out. This is a sprint and getting out of the blocks late will eliminate you quickly. Flames need a fast start.

The unfortunate thing is the Flames have not had many of their players playing in other leagues. Those that have been playing have been injured (Cervenka, Hudler, Baertschi). The Flames are at a major disadvantage and this will likely lead to a slow start. Even with a healthy roster and one ready to play I don't see a team good enough to compete. We're small, soft and not overly quick. We're going to give up a lot of quality scoring opportunities so Kiprusoff will have to be all world all season. The compressed schedule is going to hurt there. We're going to have to out score the opposition to win. Don't see the scoring strength to do that. I think we're headed to the division basement and likely fighting for position in the 12-14 range. Things just aren't stacking up for the Flames in the shortened season.

Oh, and asking what is wrong with Matt Stajan? Seriously? The line for the koto laid starts on the right. ;-)

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01-11-2013, 09:56 AM
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Stagan playing for Hartly is already better than playing for Butter. Trust me. He isn't that bad and was rarely given a chance.

I'm willing to bet he comes to camp and is given a much bigger role than fans expect.

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Stagan playing for Hartly is already better than playing for Butter. Trust me. He isn't that bad and was rarely given a chance.

I'm willing to bet he comes to camp and is given a much bigger role than fans expect.
I agree, I could see him scoring +40 in a full season under Hartley.

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01-11-2013, 04:52 PM
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I agree, I could see him scoring +40 in a full season under Hartley.

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I dont see why thats crazy.

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He has passed 40 points twice, 39 points once. He only really dried up under B. Sutter.

So why is it impossible for him to hit those numbers again?

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I dont see why thats crazy.

200607 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 82 10 29 39 44
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200910 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 55 16 25 41 30
200910 Calgary Flames NHL 27 3 13 16 2
201011 Calgary Flames NHL 76 6 25 31 32
201112 Calgary Flames NHL 61 8 10 18 29

He has passed 40 points twice, 39 points once. He only really dried up under B. S

So why is it impossible for him to hit those numbers again?
you said scoring 40+ scoring implies goals but still

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I dont see why thats crazy.

200607 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 82 10 29 39 44
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200910 Calgary Flames NHL 27 3 13 16 2
201011 Calgary Flames NHL 76 6 25 31 32
201112 Calgary Flames NHL 61 8 10 18 29

He has passed 40 points twice, 39 points once. He only really dried up under B. Sutter.

So why is it impossible for him to hit those numbers again?
Brent Sutter hated Stajan. It was pretty clear last year when Stajan was playing well, Sutter kept him on the 4th line with Jackman while Kostopolous was on the power play

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I dont see why thats crazy.

200607 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 82 10 29 39 44
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200910 Calgary Flames NHL 27 3 13 16 2
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He has passed 40 points twice, 39 points once. He only really dried up under B. Sutter.

So why is it impossible for him to hit those numbers again?
You got a 1st line center with PP time getting 40-50 points and you've got a non-playoff team.

Stajan got some points becuase he was getting primo ice time. He needed 70 points to be effective with that ice time.

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You got a 1st line center with PP time getting 40-50 points and you've got a non-playoff team.

Stajan got some points becuase he was getting primo ice time. He needed 70 points to be effective with that ice time.
I don't think Stajan was ever a first line centre.

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