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01-05-2013, 11:10 AM
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Wonder if all the people that were sued by him (and lost money) because of (reportedly wrong) doping accusations are being refund now.
I know some english newspapers are trying to get their money back, but I sure hope that's where he's hit, since that's where it hurts him the most.
I think SCA was/is asking at least some of their money back.

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His attorney denies the confession report

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I dont think he meant as professional cyclist. Those days are over.

Keep in mind Armstrong is not allowed to start anywhere and he likes to participate in a triathlon so now and then.
Oh, that makes more sense. Thanks for explaining

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YES! RT @DanRubenstein: Oprah's interviewing Lance Armstrong which means YOU GET HGH! YOU GET HGH! YOU GET HGH! EVERYBODY GETS HGH!!!!
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Time to update the thread title! He WILL admit it!

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...rview/1828311/

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I have no problem with him cheating

I saw The Wire just like everyone else, I saw Namond's speech. "You tell us not to cheat, but you're the ones cheating."

Him cheating was fine, many athletes have cheated and apologized. The problem was, Armstrong put on a facade for years that he was clean and that he'd been tested hundreds of times and he'd never had a positive test. He vehemently denied cheating, and threatened others that dared to speak up. He's a bully, plain and simple.

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01-12-2013, 10:23 AM
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To be honest, this actually makes me respect Armstrong less, I preferred him maintain his stubborn ass hole persona to the bitter end. Unless he goes scorched earth on the UCI and starts naming names, including the complicity of Verbruggen and Fat Pat McQuaid in covering up doping. That would be awesome.

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To be honest, this actually makes me respect Armstrong less, I preferred him maintain his stubborn ass hole persona to the bitter end. Unless he goes scorched earth on the UCI and starts naming names, including the complicity of Verbruggen and Fat Pat McQuaid in covering up doping. That would be awesome.
It would. It would also be the end of the UCI.

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Time to update the thread title! He WILL admit it!

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...rview/1828311/
lol armstrong

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01-13-2013, 03:35 PM
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Him cheating was fine, many athletes have cheated and apologized. The problem was, Armstrong put on a facade for years that he was clean and that he'd been tested hundreds of times and he'd never had a positive test. He vehemently denied cheating, and threatened others that dared to speak up. He's a bully, plain and simple.
This.
Remember what he did to Filippo Simeoni in a Tour stage? He's acted like a mafia boss, worst "sportman" EVER.

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01-13-2013, 04:09 PM
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In the meantime, Livestrong wrist bands are 99 cents at Sportchek.

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RT @AP Source: Lance Armstrong confesses to Oprah Winfrey that he used performance-enhancing drugs.

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oh, what a suprise

hard to believe some actually really believed he was clean...

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01-15-2013, 03:21 AM
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Apparently, Armstrong might have spoken to Oprah about not only his doping, but also spoke against some other athletes and, more importantly, against some big shots in the ICA.

In the immortal words of Preston Broadus, aka Boadie: "S**t is on."

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oh, what a suprise

hard to believe some actually really believed he was clean...
Come on, he's clean, he's been tested so many times...
You're just jealous. Admit, it you're french !

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Apparently, Armstrong might have spoken to Oprah about not only his doping, but also spoke against some other athletes and, more importantly, against some big shots in the ICA.

In the immortal words of Preston Broadus, aka Boadie: "S**t is on."
Ah, I was wondering why he did it now. of course, because he knows they won't stop going after him, and `the system is always far less punitive when you can implicate someone else(particularly bigwigs)

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Come on, he's clean, he's been tested so many times...
You're just jealous. Admit, it you're french !


Isn't it funny how all those people who gave you such **** have absolutely no interest in this discussion now?

Having already gone through Denial and Anger, I predict that the Armstrong brigade will now move onto the next phase of grief: Bargaining.

"Well everybody was doping and it all evens out; so Lance was still the best!"

"Lance was doping but the bigwigs *let* him; it's their fault!"

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Isn't it funny how all those people who gave you such **** have absolutely no interest in this discussion now?
There are some absolutely hilarious threads from the mid-2000s if one is interested in digging around for them. Although my favorite one is not about Armstrong, but about Floyd Landis. After he won in 2006, someone posted a sarcastic comment about "the French will probably accuse him of doping", then he got busted for testosterone within the week.

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Having already gone through Denial and Anger, I predict that the Armstrong brigade will now move onto the next phase of grief: Bargaining.

"Well everybody was doping and it all evens out; so Lance was still the best!"

"Lance was doping but the bigwigs *let* him; it's their fault!"
As a cycling cynic, this has basically been my view all along. Anyone who believed Armstrong was clean throughout his entire career was being exceptionally naive. But at the same time, the bigger issue here is not whether any particular riders doped, but rather the doping culture of the sport that the UCI (most specifically Verbruggen and McQuaid) has allowed to fester (throughout the 2000s, tops teams were being managed by guys like Bryneel, Riis, Saiz, etc. all linked to doping in the 1990s). And as far as who was the best and who wasn't, it's pretty telling that most of the guys who competed directly against Armstrong are not in favor of awarding titles retroactively to other riders. They all know what they were all doing, and who won.

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So now Lance was just the best cheater in a sport with nothing but cheaters

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As a cycling cynic, this has basically been my view all along. Anyone who believed Armstrong was clean throughout his entire career was being exceptionally naive. But at the same time, the bigger issue here is not whether any particular riders doped, but rather the doping culture of the sport that the UCI (most specifically Verbruggen and McQuaid) has allowed to fester (throughout the 2000s, tops teams were being managed by guys like Bryneel, Riis, Saiz, etc. all linked to doping in the 1990s). And as far as who was the best and who wasn't, it's pretty telling that most of the guys who competed directly against Armstrong are not in favor of awarding titles retroactively to other riders. They all know what they were all doing, and who won.
I think the best that could be said of him is that he was clearly the best cheater, that he took doping to levels of sophistication that surpassed his peers, so I don't think anybody could ever convincingly claim that it was all even and that therefore he would've been the best if they'd all been clean.

The other stuff about him is more important to me: that he didn't just do it himself, he was actively increasing the amount of doping in the sport by requiring it of his teammates. And that he was so ruthless in destroying careers and lives of people who got in his way.

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In the meantime, Livestrong wrist bands are 99 cents at Sportchek.
I got mine at the Nike Store for $1 during Lancemania. I'm not surprised really, given how "Everyone cheats" in cycling.

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I think the best that could be said of him is that he was clearly the best cheater, that he took doping to levels of sophistication that surpassed his peers, so I don't think anybody could ever convincingly claim that it was all even and that therefore he would've been the best if they'd all been clean.
I'm not sure that Armstrong's personal doping was a "level of sophistication that surpassed his peers", although he probably did benefit from it more than say, Jan Ullrich who was more physically talented. The counter-argument there is that Armstrong could have potentially beaten Ullrich anyway, were both perfectly clean, because he was mentally tougher and trained harder (of course, the training part is invariably linked to doping). There are certainly guys in the peloton who I'd say got relatively more out of doping than Armstrong did (Richard Virenque, Riccardo Ricco, etc.).

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The other stuff about him is more important to me: that he didn't just do it himself, he was actively increasing the amount of doping in the sport by requiring it of his teammates. And that he was so ruthless in destroying careers and lives of people who got in his way.
Agreed, this is easily the most revealing and damning part of the whole thing, not the fact that Armstrong himself actually used drugs.

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As former amateur cyclist, cycling hooligan, and blog writer.

The argument "Well everybody was doping and it all evens out; so Lance was still the best." is a ridiculous argument.

Lance Armstrong was a good cyclist but not 7x TDF winner. Pioneer of blooddoping and excessive use of epo, made him one. The man was not a climber and not a time trial specialist. Good for the European classics but that was about it.

Of course everyone was on the juice, fact, but he (his whole team) took it to another level. Some of his main competitors became his teammate, clever already. When other riders became really good, he called his 'friend' Hein Verbruggen (UCI) to keep on eye on these riders. One example: Iban Mayo. The poor guy didnt do squat anymore because he got scared. Lance intimidated and threatened. The combi Dr.Ferrari-Armstrong was a golden one as well. Lance always had first access to everything doping related. When others finally find out, he (Lance) was experimenting with other stuff already. There's much and much more to say about this matter but I want to make it short.

Like someone said, he was the best cheater. Jan Ullrich was twice as talented. I laugh at the argument he trained harder. Its a feel good story. Of course he was a training animal compared to Ullrich but who wasnt. Others certainly trained close to or just as hard. Its the nonsense Armstrong and his peer Johan Bruyneel constantly talked about and media picked it up. All those books can be trown into the dumpster. He was certainly mentally tougher than most (an American gift) but that's a moot point when both would have been clean because Ullrich would have destroyed the man based on talent alone. Richard Virenque, not a fan of him, was a natural climber. Lance Armstrong wasnt.


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Armstrong is apparently going to testify against Hein Verbruggen and Pat McQuaid, which is the result I was hoping for throughout this whole mess. The corrupt UCI needs to be torn apart from the top down.

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