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01-11-2013, 01:27 PM
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Had a fantasy hockey draft last night, yahoo 12 team head to head.

fwd: Stamkos, Kopitar, B. Ryan, Moulson, Eriksson, St. Louis, J. Benn, Parenteau, Michalek, Ryder, Dubinsky, R. O'Reilly
D: Streit, J. Johnson, Timmonen, Salo, Bogosian

G: Schneider, Pavelec
This is a risky pick, could work out, but there's a pretty decent chance he does not come back to NA this season...

And your defense is an injury waiting to happen, I'm sorry to say

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Fwds: Anze Kopitar, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Ray Whitney, Patrik Elias, Phil Kessel, Marty St. Louis, Blake Wheeler, Teemu Selanne, Tomas Fleischmann, and took a flyer on Galchenyuk

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Just saw a tweet from Phil Housley. His profile pic on Twitter is him in a Jets jersey. He is my favorite all time Jets defenseman and I love A LOT of Jets D's. What a beauty.

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Just saw a tweet from Phil Housley. His profile pic on Twitter is him in a Jets jersey. He is my favorite all time Jets defenseman and I love A LOT of Jets D's. What a beauty.
wonder if Phil got a chance to talk to Trouba about playing in Winnipeg? I know pre-tourney last summer Phil was saying how good Trouba's game was and Phil had a quote specifially about Jacob's O game being a bit like Phil's (I think I have that right does anyone remember that?). I think Phil was on the Rona round table?

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wonder if Phil got a chance to talk to Trouba about playing in Winnipeg? I know pre-tourney last summer Phil was saying how good Trouba's game was and Phil had a quote specifially about Jacob's O game being a bit like Phil's (I think I have that right does anyone remember that?). I think Phil was on the Rona round table?
I just had the exact same thought. He likely mentioned something to him.

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wonder if Phil got a chance to talk to Trouba about playing in Winnipeg? I know pre-tourney last summer Phil was saying how good Trouba's game was and Phil had a quote specifially about Jacob's O game being a bit like Phil's (I think I have that right does anyone remember that?). I think Phil was on the Rona round table?
I would bet on it. As a matter of fact I found Phil on Twitter because Trouba retweeted him.

I can't imagine that a guy who chooses his profile pic to be in a Jets jersey, even though he's played for Buffalo and team USA wouldn't have talked Winnipeg with a Jets prospect.

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The CFO from work is heading to Vegas this weekend and I just gave him $50 to put on the Jets for the Stanley cup. I never bet but I am channelling my inner Tony Robins

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Storm is coming in and it's January and if we were still talking lockout stuff I would be a bit bored and depressed but we have NFL playoffs and the Freakin NHL looming. can't believe how much I am looking forward to a season now when a few weeks ago I was ready to let them blow it up.



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The CFO from work is heading to Vegas this weekend and I just gave him $50 to put on the Jets for the Stanley cup. I never bet but I am channelling my inner Tony Robins
My gambling website has a 50 dollar bet paying out at 450 dollars right now, not too shabby (I think you get better odds in Vegas though)...as a poor college student, I'll put 5 bucks on the Jets to take it...but I'm also putting 5 on the Kings, since I want a chance to actually win that money

EDIT: Screw that, for the Kings I would have had to bet 5 to make 9 dollars, that's less than a lot of individual games...

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My gambling website has a 50 dollar bet paying out at 450 dollars right now, not too shabby (I think you get better odds in Vegas though)...as a poor college student, I'll put 5 bucks on the Jets to take it...but I'm also putting 5 on the Kings, since I want a chance to actually win that money

EDIT: Screw that, for the Kings I would have had to bet 5 to make 9 dollars, that's less than a lot of individual games...
hey Holden take note I heard the kings have their banner game next Saturday at home v Chicago (possibly day side)

also I was asking your opinion of Trouba's D only upside and any comp's you can think of. It was in another thread but you might not have revisited.

I believe your reference was you thought Trouba had really high defensive upside and I was wondering (taking out the O) if you thought Willie Mitchell type (or someone else) upside or not that high?

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hey Holden take note I heard the kings have their banner game next Saturday at home v Chicago (possibly day side)

also I was asking your opinion of Trouba's D only upside and any comp's you can think of. It was in another thread but you might not have revisited.

I believe your reference was you thought Trouba had really high defensive upside and I was wondering (taking out the O) if you thought Willie Mitchell type (or someone else) upside or not that high?
Originally at the draft I was thinking a smarter nastier Willie Mitchell as a decent comparaison for Trouba (Mitchell's offensive game is underrated, he has a good shot and decent first pass)...but now I think his upside is quite a bit higher.

The one that got thrown out there recently was Shea Weber, and I totally see it. Trouba's shot has gotten way better, his skating is improving by leaps and bounds (not that it was every ever close to a concern, but saying it's impressed me), and he's done it without sacrificing his defensive game. One important thing to remember that at the WJC it was big ice, so you didn't see him grind or even go after big hits much, but that's the part of his hockey smarts, he can adjust his game. His first pass was very smooth, and he is almost always in control, makes the big hit but rarely puts himself out of position to do it.

Weber gets the headlines for his hits and shots, but he is actually a very solid defensive player as well, might get more credit this year now that he will be forced to play a little more defensive with Suter (it wasn't that couldn't but he didn't need to with the rock Suter beside him), although Weber will have a guy I am very high on beside him as a solid defensive guy again this year (Roman Josi).

Now, saying he has Weber upside might be tough shoes to fill, and it will take plenty of refinement at the NHL level to get there, but I think he has that kind of ultimate upside. Right now his maximum potential level is higher than Bogosian's, IMO, but that's just his top end potential, he could still bust, or anywhere in between. Of course Bogosian is a proven top 4 guy already, so not saying Trouba>Bogo or anything.

Defensemen are notouriously hard to predict. To examples I can think of just off the top of my head are Ladislav Smid and Tim Gleason. Both were drafted as skating offensive defensemen, both changed their games when it became apparent that that was not going to work for them at the NHL level, now both are shutdown guys, Gleason in particular with a mean streak (he was viewed as soft, IIRC, in junior).

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Both were drafted as skating offensive defensemen, both changed their games when it became apparent that that was not going to work for them at the NHL level, now both are shutdown guys, Gleason in particular with a mean streak (he was viewed as soft, IIRC, in junior).
Smid is a real head scratcher. He is so smooth with the puck. When he wants to, he can make an end to end rush and look like he's floating. It's like he shuts his brain off as soon as he hits the offensive blueline though.

I guess I can understand it, I have never been great offensively as a defenseman either. I find I'm always too worried about my own end.

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Smid is a real head scratcher. He is so smooth with the puck. When he wants to, he can make an end to end rush and look like he's floating. It's like he shuts his brain off as soon as he hits the offensive blueline though.

I guess I can understand it, I have never been great offensively as a defenseman either. I find I'm always too worried about my own end.
Yeah, I never understood why Smid has never taken the step into a two-way defenseman. He is such a nice skater, makes nice passes, but just is so reluctant to jump up offensively.

Could be that the chinese fire drill that Edmonton calls defense has ruined him, since he has been the only one that even knows what the defensive end is on that squad and he has been forced into that mentality, IDK.

Definately the only defensemen out in Edmonton with NHL experience that I would for sure want on the Jets if possible (him and Bogo would be solid pair, both can skate, Smid's defensive awareness would open up Bogo for more offense. N. Schultz is solid as well, but so long as Stuart is here Schultz would be redundant (I know N. Schultz is better than Stuart, but not good enough for top 4 on a good team, IMO).

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Originally at the draft I was thinking a smarter nastier Willie Mitchell as a decent comparaison for Trouba (Mitchell's offensive game is underrated, he has a good shot and decent first pass)...but now I think his upside is quite a bit higher.

The one that got thrown out there recently was Shea Weber, and I totally see it. Trouba's shot has gotten way better, his skating is improving by leaps and bounds (not that it was every ever close to a concern, but saying it's impressed me), and he's done it without sacrificing his defensive game. One important thing to remember that at the WJC it was big ice, so you didn't see him grind or even go after big hits much, but that's the part of his hockey smarts, he can adjust his game. His first pass was very smooth, and he is almost always in control, makes the big hit but rarely puts himself out of position to do it.

Weber gets the headlines for his hits and shots, but he is actually a very solid defensive player as well, might get more credit this year now that he will be forced to play a little more defensive with Suter (it wasn't that couldn't but he didn't need to with the rock Suter beside him), although Weber will have a guy I am very high on beside him as a solid defensive guy again this year (Roman Josi).

Now, saying he has Weber upside might be tough shoes to fill, and it will take plenty of refinement at the NHL level to get there, but I think he has that kind of ultimate upside. Right now his maximum potential level is higher than Bogosian's, IMO, but that's just his top end potential, he could still bust, or anywhere in between. Of course Bogosian is a proven top 4 guy already, so not saying Trouba>Bogo or anything.

Defensemen are notouriously hard to predict. To examples I can think of just off the top of my head are Ladislav Smid and Tim Gleason. Both were drafted as skating offensive defensemen, both changed their games when it became apparent that that was not going to work for them at the NHL level, now both are shutdown guys, Gleason in particular with a mean streak (he was viewed as soft, IIRC, in junior).
Oh man. If Trouba even comes close to Shea Weber, I'll be really happy.

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How many players are looking out the window right now saying "ahhh damn, back in Winnipeg."

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How many players are looking out the window right now saying "ahhh damn, back in Winnipeg."
Given the winter we had last year this would come as a complete surprise. They didn't see anything like this in the previous season.

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Given the winter we had last year this would come as a complete surprise. They didn't see anything like this in the previous season.
Jumping right in makes it hard too. If it's gradual, you get used to it, but going from where some of these guys are coming from right into this weather sucks. Atleast yesterday was nice.

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Blizzard in Winnipeg?

Meanwhile... in Atlanta... it's 75°/24c today.

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Meanwhile... in Atlanta... it's 75°/24c today.
Pure golfing weather, am I right?

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Originally at the draft I was thinking a smarter nastier Willie Mitchell as a decent comparaison for Trouba (Mitchell's offensive game is underrated, he has a good shot and decent first pass)...but now I think his upside is quite a bit higher.

The one that got thrown out there recently was Shea Weber, and I totally see it. Trouba's shot has gotten way better, his skating is improving by leaps and bounds (not that it was every ever close to a concern, but saying it's impressed me), and he's done it without sacrificing his defensive game. One important thing to remember that at the WJC it was big ice, so you didn't see him grind or even go after big hits much, but that's the part of his hockey smarts, he can adjust his game. His first pass was very smooth, and he is almost always in control, makes the big hit but rarely puts himself out of position to do it.

Weber gets the headlines for his hits and shots, but he is actually a very solid defensive player as well, might get more credit this year now that he will be forced to play a little more defensive with Suter (it wasn't that couldn't but he didn't need to with the rock Suter beside him), although Weber will have a guy I am very high on beside him as a solid defensive guy again this year (Roman Josi).

Now, saying he has Weber upside might be tough shoes to fill, and it will take plenty of refinement at the NHL level to get there, but I think he has that kind of ultimate upside. Right now his maximum potential level is higher than Bogosian's, IMO, but that's just his top end potential, he could still bust, or anywhere in between. Of course Bogosian is a proven top 4 guy already, so not saying Trouba>Bogo or anything.

Defensemen are notouriously hard to predict. To examples I can think of just off the top of my head are Ladislav Smid and Tim Gleason. Both were drafted as skating offensive defensemen, both changed their games when it became apparent that that was not going to work for them at the NHL level, now both are shutdown guys, Gleason in particular with a mean streak (he was viewed as soft, IIRC, in junior).
Thanks great post

I agree Weber seems like the closest comp and it is who Teouba compares himself to style wise as well. I agree it is tough to project defenders but Trouba had a mature and seasonsed feel at the WJC as an 18 year old player that said to me "this prospect feels very safe to be a top 4 NHL defender and he feels likely to discover his high end". Jacob just gave off a vibe that had me crossing my fingers less than any prospect we have in our system.

I guess what i am trying to articulate is that with any prospect there is always a confidence to hope ratio and with Trouba and I don't feel like I need much faith and hope I feel the question is when more than if.

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That got me pretty pumped. Can't wait till next Saturday..

BTW it looks like 25% off Jets Gear is our apology for the lockout. Hopefully they let us add the 15% ST discount for a 40% savings. Not likely, but maybe then I'll buy something.

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Blizzard in Winnipeg?

Meanwhile... in Atlanta... it's 75°/24c today.
It's been blizzarding from Alberta right through to Ontario for the last three days. I drove through the damn thing on Thursday from Regina to Lethbridge. It will all be coming to an end tomorrow.


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Then I guess most NHL players would be saying "ahhh damn, back to Canada" because this happens pretty much everywhere throughout winter (with the exception of Vancouver), not just in Winnipeg.

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