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01-10-2013, 07:01 PM
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I haven't seen him in Manchester, but usually a decline in production from an offensive defenseman in a lesser league indicates he is either nursing an injury or be more defensively disciplined.
Exactly correct observations as expected.

There is also a little bit of adjustment that happens when young players go from one level of play to another in as far as adapting along with what you have said.

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Here's my guess at the lines with Nolan, King, and Voynov on the Kings:

Pearson - Vey - Toffoli
Cliche - Loktionov - Kozun
Clune - Andreoff - O'Neill
Meckler - Weal - Legein

Not sure about the dman pairings, except that Deslauriers will take Voynov's spot. Kolomatis as the spare.
Man, if the Monarchs were bad before...ouch. These lines look rough. No size on those top 2 lines...Andreoff is really the only power forward with skill now that Nolan/King are gone. That last line is AHL fodder.

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Man, if the Monarchs were bad before...ouch. These lines look rough. No size on those top 2 lines...Andreoff is really the only power forward with skill now that Nolan/King are gone. That last line is AHL fodder.
Meh other teams are gonna get depleted to.

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So how come Weal is playing on the 4th line? With over 100 points in the WHL, it looks like he can't get adjusted to the AHL. Am i right? I had high hopes for the guy in the NHL but it seems like he fallen off the radar...What's up with him?

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So how come Weal is playing on the 4th line? With over 100 points in the WHL, it looks like he can't get adjusted to the AHL. Am i right? I had high hopes for the guy in the NHL but it seems like he fallen off the radar...What's up with him?

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This is going to sound contradictory, so I apologize, but give him time. This is his first pro season.

On that note, I don't see him being a full time NHLer long term. He plays a finesse game, which is a double whammy given he's so small. He could turn it around, but there ate many high scoring kids in juniors who don't make it as a pro.

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This is going to sound contradictory, so I apologize, but give him time. This is his first pro season.

On that note, I don't see him being a full time NHLer long term. He plays a finesse game, which is a double whammy given he's so small. He could turn it around, but there ate many high scoring kids in juniors who don't make it as a pro.
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I've never understood the appeal of Weal. He's too small.
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This is going to sound contradictory, so I apologize, but give him time. This is his first pro season.

On that note, I don't see him being a full time NHLer long term. He plays a finesse game, which is a double whammy given he's so small. He could turn it around, but there ate many high scoring kids in juniors who don't make it as a pro.

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Weal is not going to be a King, the kid plays a Small game.

Kozun is a spark plug, Weal needs to learn from him.

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I don't get why there are 3 teams in Texas.
Here beginneth the history lesson

Houston is in the AHL because they were in the IHL when the remaining six viable IHL teams (Houston, Milwaukee, Chicago, Grand Rapids, Manitoba, and Utah) decided in 2001 to call that league quits and join the AHL. The IHL Aeros started play in 1994 during that season's NHL lockout (the IHL tried challenging the NHL in that time period - that's when IHL teams in Detroit, Denver, Minneapolis, and Chicago also started play, to complement previous moves to Phoenix, Kansas City, San Diego, Atlanta, Salt Lake and Las Vegas). They have always managed to have a strong connection with the city, as far as I can tell, going back to the heritage of the WHA Aeros. So, it was used to being an island, flying to all its games already, and wasn't fazed by doing it in the AHL, thus was the anchor for the Texas expansion.

San Antonio joined the AHL the next season, when the NBA Spurs bought the defunct Adirondack Red Wings franchise from Detroit and activated it as a way to own another tenant in the new arena in which they controlled bookings. With Houston as a nearby rival, that reduced costs, and being owned by the NBA team, the Rampage were a way to get money not directly through the team, but through things like increased concessions, etc, at the arena. It was also a way for the Spurs to force the existing CHL team (The San Antonio Iguanas) out of existence -- the Iguanas had been playing at a smaller arena on the Fairgrounds, but the Spurs gained booking rights for both that arena AND the new arena with its construction, and the Spurs would prefer a team they controlled as a tenant to a team that just paid them rent on a lower scale.

With two teams closely located in Texas, the idea of a home-state-based farm team became very appealing to the Dallas Stars, who worked with the Austin suburb of Cedar Park to build a small arena and put a Dallas-owned AHL team (the Texas Stars) into it -- effectively shutting the CHL Austin Ice Bats out of the process, and since they were already playing at a rec rink after a dispute with the older Austin arena, it pretty much killed them totally. The T-Stars began play in 2009 once the arena finally opened.

With three teams in Texas, it became only logical to look at the recently-vacated Oklahoma City market, which had been booming in its CHL heyday, but the arrival of the NBA along with fan fatigue helped kill the CHL Blazers, leaving the market open for Edmonton to activate their dormant AHL franchise in 2010. With a cluster like that, it's pretty much self-sustaining at this point.

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There is something in Vegas -- the ECHL Las Vegas Wranglers play at the Orleans casino arena -- it's a nice place for minor-league, and is definitely big enough to support an AHL team (about 7-8k seats for hockey, IIRC, in a nice horseshoe arrangement). That doesn't prevent the AHL from coming into the city, but none of the other casinos have shown any desire to tie up their arenas with low-profit hockey tenants when they can make as much money with a single concert. There continue to be rumblings from this developer and that developer about trying to get an NBA/NHL-sized arena, but I'll believe that when national unemployment falls below 5% again. The Thomas and Mack arena (where UNLV basketball plays) was home to the IHL Thunder from 1993-99, but they just couldn't sustain the revenue to support an IHL team. If there were to be a cluster of Pacific Time AHL teams for them to be in a division with, I agree, the market could support AHL hockey (whether at the T&M or at the Orleans), but it would have to be part of a concerted move of existing AHL franchises.

And you're preaching to the choir with San Diego. Our arena is a 47 year old "dump", but it was built for hockey with good sightlines and about a 13k capacity. The reason San Diego doesn't have the ECHL any longer, as far as I can tell, is some sort of bad blood between the former arena managers (the Hahn family) and the league involving sanctions or something. We'd have an ECHL team here now owned by someone else, but the younger Hahn is now employed by AEG (who own the lease on the SDSA) as the arena manager, so he didn't even offer the team a discussion on what terms he would offer them a lease on. My one hope (expressed earlier) is that the Monarchs move to San Diego to put the AEG-owned team into an AEG-managed arena two hours bus ride away from the big club, and 90 minutes away from the ECHL affiliate in Ontario -- but again, that would have to be part of a coordinated move with other AHL teams.

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San Francisco just got the ECHL again, No Cal is big and they like hockey and the Sharks are in San Jose. I don't anything any AHL will succeed in Arizona or New Mexico. There used to a Utah team, they folded. What about Kansas? Washington (Seattle)?
The Utah AHL/IHL team was seeing reduced attendance and increased costs (they were no longer a novelty), so they technically folded... but the same owners then activated an ECHL team in the same arena with the same name. The City now owns the Utah Grizzlies, who are in their eighth ECHL season. If some other AHL owner were to come to the city and say "we'll sign a lease with you so you get the money without the drain of owning the team", they might just fold the ECHL Grizzlies in favor of the AHL team.

I still wonder if the Sharks' endgame might be putting their AHL team (which they own, like the Kings do, and is tied into Worcester until the end of the 2014-15 season with another option year) into the proposed arena on the San Francisco pier, which would be the home of the NBA Golden State Warriors. There are several AHL/NBA dual tenant situations already - Charlotte (Bobcats/Checkers, separate ownership), Houston (Rockets/Aeros, separate ownership), Cleveland (Cavaliers/Lake Erie Monsters, same ownership IIRC), San Antonio (Spurs/Rampage, same ownership) and Milwaukee (Bucks/Admirals, different ownership), so it's clearly a model that can work. In theory, the area could have the San Jose Sharks at the HP Pavilion, the San Francisco Sharks at the Warriors' arena, and the San Francisco Bulls at the Cow Palace.... but I think that's one team too many for the demand in the region.

I think an AHL team _could_ work in Phoenix if the Coyotes were to leave, whether it be at the Suns' arena (the Suns did own and run an ECHL team for five years once the Coyotes moved to Glendale), at Jobing.com (more problematic, of course), or somewhere on the east side of the valley. Tucson is an issue for minor pro hockey in general because of the fierce loyalty of the small fan base to the college club hockey team -- that's part of the reason the WCHL Tuscon Gila Monsters folded mid-year of their 2nd season, and why the WPHL Tucson Scorch never played a single game, folding the first day of their inaugural season.

Never say never in New Mexico -- though the CHL Scorpions' history isn't that encouraging in ABQ.

I'm moderately surprised someone hasn't tried to put the AHL into KC -- they must feel that flexibility for concerts makes their bottom line healthier than an AHL anchor tenant... or else there's just been no owner willing to take the risk. That decision has benefited the suburb of Independence, because they built a small arena and the CHL Missouri Mavericks are outdrawing 16 of 30 current AHL teams. Not sure if that makes KC a non-started for the AHL or not... but it does risk splitting a fan base.

Seattle already has two WHL (Canadian Major Junior) teams in the area -- the Thunderbirds in the suburb of Kent, and the Silvertips in the suburb of Everett. The only way I see the AHL working is if both teams cease to exist, or if one of them dies and the others' owners decide to make the AHL jump. Either that, or if the new NBA Supersonics (which sound likely to be announced before the next season) don't manage to land a NHL co-tenant, they may want to go down the route of the Spurs and the Cavs, and buy an AHL team to go as a second tenant. Given their closeness to Abbotsford BC, I would give Seattle the best chance of being able to "go it alone" (with Abbotsford) of any of the markets we've been discussing. The rest, you need three-four teams to go at once or within a year of each other.

(Gee, can you tell I like talking about the Silly Season in minor league hockey? )

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Monarchs dress seven defensemen tonight, assume it will go back to six Sunday with Andreoff's suspension ending. Martin Jones is also not playing -- Berube is backing up Mannino tonight. Other than that, no surprises.

Pearson deflects Rodney's shot. 1-0 Monarchs.


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3-1 Monarchs

Pearson, Kolomatis, Pearson(2)

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4-1 after Loki's powerplay goal... so far

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Terrible officiating. Oneil scores and they save it off and give him a goalie int pen. Worst call ever.

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Monarchs win a wild one 7-4 over the devils! Goals Pearson (2) Toffoli (2) Weal, Meckler, and Loktionov

Toffoli is now 3rd in league for goals with 18

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Final: 7-4 Monarchs. Pearson passed up scoring an empty net goal for a hat trick, and passed it to Toffoli instead. Classy. He instead finished with 2g, 1a, and the #1 star. Linden Vey had 3 assists for the #2 star.

I also heard on the radio that they waived off O'Neill's goal, and instead sent him to the penalty box for goaltender interference. Sounded like a brutal call, the way the Monarchs announcers said it.

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The "kid line" had a combined 10 points and went +12. Holy moly.

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Just got back from the game. here are my notes:

I've never seen a cross crease pass work so effectively in professional hockey. Not sure if it was Albany sucking that bad or if Manchester was really that good.
Manchester had very poor discipline. If you look at the box score, the Monarchs had a lot more penalties and all were justified except the diving call on Clune.
Lokti was far and away the best player on the ice.
Hickey was probably the best defenseman tonight. Didn't make any glaring mistakes and just played very solid.
On the flip side, Bodnarchuk and Campbell did not play well. Turnovers and penalties for both.
Mannino looked terrible. He's lucky the Monarchs scored 7. He must have learned how to play the puck from Quick because wow was that embarrassing.
The kid line was great. I almost **** myself when Toffoli actually beat someone in a foot race. Pearson's goal(s) were easy tap ins because he was in the right position.
Did I mention Lokti was great?
Clune is a good little agitator and really, REALLY loves to talk ****.
Muzzin was quiet until he hit people, which is good from a defensive defenseman.
Cliché was solid and I wouldn't mind seeing him in the NHL at some point. Was a good leader and seemed to stay calm talking to the ref when everyone else was chirping him.
Everyone else was average/quiet.

Was a fun game. Lastly, there was a girl, at oldest in her early 20s, wearing a Lokti jersey and very attractive. Call me?

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I think Vey actually had 4 assists not 3 in the 7-4 win on Friday, Jan 11th...

Anyway, I was just curious how Vey has looked in general and where you would rank him against other Monarch Forward prospects who are close to the NHL(Loktionov, Pearson, Kozun, Toffoli etc.,)

Also what is Vey's upside?

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Kozun is doing okay for himself. Has got a nice 9 goals and 14 assists this years so far. Good for 3rd on the team in scoring behind (Toffoli and Vey)

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Linden Vey is a guy stealing someones thunder this year! Namely Andrei Loktionov.

I don't think you be out of line if you argued that Vey is ahead of Loktionov now. Vey has been very impressive and has shown some fantastic play making abilities. Currently he leads the team in points with 27 after 35 games (8 goals & 19 assists) Although in 26 games Loktionov has racked up 18 points (6 goals & 12 assists) So, Lokti hasn't exactly fallen of the face of the earth either.

But given Vey's ability to play the wing and the fact that Loktionov has asked to be traded. Liden Vey is the center to keep your eyes on coming out of Manchester.
I see here's one opinion of Vey...

any others?

Is he far from the NHL?

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I see here's one opinion of Vey...

any others?

Is he far from the NHL?
I thought he was a dark horse to play on the Kings LAST year. I see a lot of Justin Williams in him. I love the way he plays.

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I thought he was a dark horse to play on the Kings LAST year. I see a lot of Justin Williams in him. I love the way he plays.
Hmm interesting. Isn't Vey a Centremen though?

I see he shoots right like Justin Williams, but Williams is your prototypical 2nd line RWer...

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i thought you lived near san jose for some reason. thanks for your insight.

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Just got back from the game. here are my notes:

I've never seen a cross crease pass work so effectively in professional hockey. Not sure if it was Albany sucking that bad or if Manchester was really that good.
Manchester had very poor discipline. If you look at the box score, the Monarchs had a lot more penalties and all were justified except the diving call on Clune.
Lokti was far and away the best player on the ice.
Hickey was probably the best defenseman tonight. Didn't make any glaring mistakes and just played very solid.
On the flip side, Bodnarchuk and Campbell did not play well. Turnovers and penalties for both.
Mannino looked terrible. He's lucky the Monarchs scored 7. He must have learned how to play the puck from Quick because wow was that embarrassing.
The kid line was great. I almost **** myself when Toffoli actually beat someone in a foot race. Pearson's goal(s) were easy tap ins because he was in the right position.
Did I mention Lokti was great?
Clune is a good little agitator and really, REALLY loves to talk ****.
Muzzin was quiet until he hit people, which is good from a defensive defenseman.
Cliché was solid and I wouldn't mind seeing him in the NHL at some point. Was a good leader and seemed to stay calm talking to the ref when everyone else was chirping him.
Everyone else was average/quiet.

Was a fun game. Lastly, there was a girl, at oldest in her early 20s, wearing a Lokti jersey and very attractive. Call me?

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highlights from tonight's 7-4 over the Albany Devils. Interviews with Morris and Toffoli

Vey is one hell of passer. Just smooth and right on the tape.

Mannino was god awful tonight!

The 6th goal (Weal's goal) was simply just sexy! Great passes from Hickey and Vey and Weal put it home!



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Vey does not get enough credit. He is the anchor of that line.

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i thought you lived near san jose for some reason. thanks for your insight.
I do. Was out in New England on a trip and stopped at the game. I'm in the airport flying back to SF now.

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