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01-12-2013, 04:22 PM
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Gotta love it when someone tries to peddle a trade that leaves there team stronger and the other team weaker.

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Doesn't change the fact that he only did it once.

Also, Lupul becomes a UFA in a year. His value is NOT at a high.
He's healthy now, why couldn't he do this again especially entering a contract year? And I'm talking about him coming off a career year which makes his value high, he can be extended. Stastny is a 50pt player making 6.6m now, poor value for high value.

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Leafs say no
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So we trade Stastny for an upcoming UFA and a cap dump? Where do I sign?
Lupul would obviously have to be extended and saving the extra room is always an asset with the 2013. Offseason

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Why break the chemistry between Lupul and Kessel for a player who was been on a decline ever since he signed that big contract?

Lupul will/should be re-signed to other contract with the Leafs

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Care to elaborate why?
Leafs need Lupul and his proven chemistry with Kessel, they make each other better and can both score at a PPG pace. Im higher on Bozie than most and I think that he's a good stop gap. I want Kess/Lupes to be our long term top line guys, and eventually finding a C. Not trade Lupul off for a C who may or may not gel with Kessel

Don't fix what is not broken. Work with our proven chemistry, and add onto that

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Gotta love it when someone tries to peddle a trade that leaves there team stronger and the other team weaker.
Because a player who's a legit top 6 player coming off an all star year being swapped for an overpaid player being used as 3C is such a huge difference in talent. the trade is improving one aspect of a team (top6 for Col) while doing the same for the leafs (top C). Yet this really weakens one team more than the other?

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Why do people assume that one of our centers are on the market? None of them are this year. Duchene isn't going anywhere, RoR will be resigned and be here for the long haul, and Stastny is staying with the Avs for at minimum another year. It's pretty clear the team has been shaped around 3 lines, so until Sherman/Sacco get fired they aren't going anywhere.

Not to mention this makes our team worse even in Stastny was being shopped.

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Because a player who's a legit top 6 player coming off an all star year being swapped for an overpaid player being used as 3C is such a huge difference in talent. the trade is improving one aspect of a team (top6 for Col) while doing the same for the leafs (top C). Yet this really weakens one team more than the other?
legit top 6? He had one good year after being injured for a long time makes him a suddenly legit winger? This trade doesn't improve the Avs at all, it makes us worse.

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Why break the chemistry between Lupul and Kessel for a player who was been on a decline ever since he signed that big contract?

Lupul will/should be re-signed to other contract with the Leafs
the chemistry was one thing but a C is harder to acquire then a winger. Lupul has value coming off his career year and can land is what we need. like I said, JVR would be promoted to top line and you'd have a relatively young and up n coming top line of JVR -Stastny-Kessel going forward.

Stastnys decline has more to do with his line mates and him falling out of favour of COL top 6. With Kessel he'd return to form IMO.

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Paulie's a 3rd line centre? Now I've heard it all.

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the chemistry was one thing but a C is harder to acquire then a winger. Lupul has value coming off his career year and can land is what we need. like I said, JVR would be promoted to top line and you'd have a relatively young and up n coming top line of JVR -Stastny-Kessel going forward.
If you look at Grabovski he has similar numbers to Stastny in the last two seasons played and people say hes overpaid at 5.5 mil, Why would the Leafs want Stastny at 6.6 mil whos only a year younger than Grabovski and his numbers have seem to gotten worse who has not played anywhere close to 1C?

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Why would we trade a centre for a winger? Pass.

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Why do people assume that one of our centers are on the market? None of them are this year. Duchene isn't going anywhere, RoR will be resigned and be here for the long haul, and Stastny is staying with the Avs for at minimum another year. It's pretty clear the team has been shaped around 3 lines, so until Sherman/Sacco get fired they aren't going anywhere.

Not to mention this makes our team worse even in Stastny was being shopped.



legit top 6? He had one good year after being injured for a long time makes him a suddenly legit winger? This trade doesn't improve the Avs at all, it makes us worse.
So he's not a legit winger despite putting up numbers of a legit top 6 winger? His injuries in the past held him back of it and going into a contract year he's going to have another huge season. You wouldn't be worse if he improves your top six yet weakens your 3rd line, your giving up to get.

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If you look at Grabovski he has similar numbers to Stastny in the last two seasons played and people say hes overpaid at 5.5 mil, Why would the Leafs want Stastny at 6.6 mil whos only a year younger than Grabovski and his numbers have seem to gotten worse who has not played anywhere close to 1C?
Read the 2nd part of my post

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the chemistry was one thing but a C is harder to acquire then a winger. Lupul has value coming off his career year and can land is what we need. like I said, JVR would be promoted to top line and you'd have a relatively young and up n coming top line of JVR -Stastny-Kessel going forward.

Stastnys decline has more to do with his line mates and him falling out of favour of COL top 6. With Kessel he'd return to form IMO.
So avs should handle him in a trade like a 3rd line center although he IS a top line center (because that's actually the position you want to use him in).

We like stastny as our top line center and we want to roll 3 scoring lines. We'll be able to give him better wingers soon enough and then he'll be able to score the way everybody expects him to WITH THE AVS.

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Save cap space, improve winger depth, lose an under performing Stastny making too much money.
Save space so that the Avs can fall in further from the cap sealing? Improve winger depth which is already pushing quality youngins like Sgarbossa and Olver out of the big league lineup? So we can lose our best Center who's a huge boon to Dutchy and O'Reilly's development and who lets us utilize all of our wingers by rolling 3 lines? This trade makes no sense for colorado. If they ever do trade one of the centers it'll be for a top pairing LHD to play with EJ, although even more likely is that they'll just keep all 3 until they see what FA and the defensive prospects can add to the team.


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This is absolutely horrible for the Avs(As other non Avs fans have pointed out).

First of all, Stastny is not our #3C, he and Oreilly created a 1A/1B type duo last year, and Stastny will likely start this year as the #1C again.

Secondly, Stastny's contract is not a problem in Colorado. Were still several million dollars below the cap even once we resign Oreilly, why would we move a supposedly bad contract if its not bad for us at all.

And Finally, Stastny has not been regressing or underperforming as bad as others think. When Stastny put up his 70+ point seasons he was play on a FAR more offensive Avs squad, and playing with much better linemates. A combination of the Avs playing a much more Defensive style of play and Stastny having poor linemates the is the biggest cause for Stastny below average seasons. This year Stastny will be playing with McGinn(Whom he had obvious chemistry with last year) and either Jones, or Landeskog. With 2 goal scorers on his wing Stastny should be able to creat a lot more scoring opportunities and will have a better year.

And if the Leafs were to trade for Stastny, he would be playing with Kessel. That basically guarantees 35+ goals for Kessel and 40+ assists for Stastny. So if the Leafs were to trade for Stastny Greg Sherman knows it would be the 70 Point Stastny they would get not the 55 point Stastny, so he wont trade him for cheap.

If the Leafs were to want Stastny, Gardiner+ would have to be coming the other way, and even then the Avs are likely still inclined to say no given Gardiners current concussion issues.

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So avs should handle him in a trade like a 3rd line center although he IS a top line center (because that's actually the position you want to use him in).

We like stastny as our top line center and we want to roll 3 scoring lines. We'll be able to give him better wingers soon enough and then he'll be able to score the way everybody expects him to WITH THE AVS.
I never said you should handle him as a 3C, but you do (because that's actually the position you use him in). You like him as your top line centre yet use him on 3rd...why would it matter how another team uses him it's subjective to their lineup. he'd be looked at as a top line C on the leafs because of our lack of strength at that position.

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I never said you should handle him as a 3C, but you do (because that's actually the position you use him in). You like him as your top line centre yet use him on 3rd...why would it matter how another team uses him it's subjective to their lineup. he'd be looked at as a top line C on the leafs because of our lack of strength at that position.
I honestly have no idea how you managed to come to the conclusion that the Avs use him as a 3C... average ice time for Avs centers last year was as follows:

Ryan Oreilly - 19:31
Paul Stastny - 18:49
Matt Duchene - 16:17
Jay McClement - 13:45

That certainly looks to me like a 1A/1B setup between Oreilly and Stastny, with Duchene playing the lesser 1C/2A role for Centers...

But yes, tell us Avs fans again how Stastny has been used as a #3C, you're clearly the Avs expert.

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Gotta love it when someone tries to peddle a trade that leaves there team stronger and the other team weaker.
most trades do that even trades do not exist

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I honestly have no idea how you managed to come to the conclusion that the Avs use him as a 3C... average ice time for Avs centers last year was as follows:

Ryan Oreilly - 19:31
Paul Stastny - 18:49
Matt Duchene - 16:17
Jay McClement - 13:45

That certainly looks to me like a 1A/1B setup between Oreilly and Stastny, with Duchene playing the lesser 1C/2A role for Centers...

But yes, tell us Avs fans again how Stastny has been used as a #3C, you're clearly the Avs expert.
Dude, time on ice is fine but he wasnt always playing with your top 6 line mates. So based on TOI are you saying Duchene is a 3C? That doesn't make sense. And I never said I was an Avs expert, you guys are just deep at that position and teams in need of a C are going to make proposals for you.

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Dude, time on ice is fine but he wasnt always playing with your top 6 line mates. So based on TOI are you saying Duchene is a 3C? That doesn't make sense. And I never said I was an Avs expert, you guys are just deep at that position and teams in need of a C are going to make proposals for you.
Yes and no. The Avs don't actually use a #1 #2 and #3 role when it comes to there lines. They role all 3 evenly for the most part, usually whatever line is playing the hottest gets the extra little bit of ice time. But based on last year I would say yes in technical terms, Duchene was our #3C, but he was played more like a #1C while Oreilly was the #1A and Stastny the #1B.

And the only reason Stastny was playing with the weaker linemates was because Downie and Landeskog had developed obvious chemistry with Oreilly and were together all year. Stastny had the next best line mates in McGinn and Jones. Stastny and McGinn were on fire for the last 20 games, McGinn had something like 10 goals in those 20 games(don't know the exact #).

And just because the Avs have 3 very good centers doesn't mean were automatically in the market to trade one of them. THis is the problem with this part of HF Boards. Its called trade rumors and free agent talk, I don't understand while people are allowed to make baseless trade proposals when there's no rumor or speculation to back it up. They're been nothing said or mentioned to this point that would lead anyone to believe the Avs are trading Duchene, or any of there Centers for that matter. Now that could change tomorrow if Oreilly isn't signed, but as of right now there's no reason to believe the Avs are trading there Centers. Therefore there shouldn't even be a discussion about it.

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Yes and no. The Avs don't actually use a #1 #2 and #3 role when it comes to there lines. They role all 3 evenly for the most part, usually whatever line is playing the hottest gets the extra little bit of ice time. But based on last year I would say yes in technical terms, Duchene was our #3C, but he was played more like a #1C while Oreilly was the #1A and Stastny the #1B.

And the only reason Stastny was playing with the weaker linemates was because Downie and Landeskog had developed obvious chemistry with Oreilly and were together all year. Stastny had the next best line mates in McGinn and Jones. Stastny and McGinn were on fire for the last 20 games, McGinn had something like 10 goals in those 20 games(don't know the exact #).

And just because the Avs have 3 very good centers doesn't mean were automatically in the market to trade one of them. THis is the problem with this part of HF Boards. Its called trade rumors and free agent talk, I don't understand while people are allowed to make baseless trade proposals when there's no rumor or speculation to back it up. They're been nothing said or mentioned to this point that would lead anyone to believe the Avs are trading Duchene, or any of there Centers for that matter. Now that could change tomorrow if Oreilly isn't signed, but as of right now there's no reason to believe the Avs are trading there Centers. Therefore there shouldn't even be a discussion about it.
I didn't know that about the Avs, very interesting and it's good to know now moving forward. But nowhere are people assuming any of your centres are on the market, but generally when a team has depth at a position and there's a team in need its good to get a feel as to how the teams fans react to the trade. I can see a lot of negativity from Avs fans yet we have Leafs fans that wouldn't do this deal also, so its still good to have discussion on it and see what it would take to get a deal done.

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