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3 Options I'd consider


1) Kadri + Bozak

2) Bozak + Biggs + 2nd

3) Kadri + Ashton/Franson + 3rd
Those options would be viable if you were talking about acquiring Jose Theodore, but not Roberto Luongo.

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I like Schroeder as much as any Canuck fan, but Bozak is light years ahead of Schroeder
How so? Schroeder just hasn't had the experience in the NHL, but I don't see what makes Bozak any good at all. Offensively and defensively Bozak just isn't a good hockey player.

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Yes, and Bozak is just not that good of a hockey player. He doesn't impress me at all when I watch him, and his stats back that up.

Playing primarily with two PPG players, Bozak put up just over half a point per game of offense. In Vancouver, his linemates will not be that offensively gifted so it's reasonable to expect his production to drop. Then looking at his defensive numbers: his possession stats were terrible, his corsi was very bad, and Kessel/Lupul (who Leaf fans have said aren't good defensively) actually had better corsi stats when they weren't playing with Bozak.

I really don't see how Bozak holds any value to Vancouver at all, and rather than giving up Roberto Luongo for him I'd rather keep Luongo and just try out Jordan Schroeder.
I agree about everything besides the Schroeder stuff. Bozak's essentially a one-dimensional player, whose one dimension he's good at is netting you half-a-point per game while being terrible at everything else.

If we have trouble stomaching what Raymond brings in the playoffs (who's at a pretty similar level offensively and brings way more defensively), we're not going to like Bozak, IMO.

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Those options would be viable if you were talking about acquiring Jose Theodore, but not Roberto Luongo.
All three are overpayments for Luongo

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It seems to me that with all the talk in the media of Bozak + Kadri +? that it seems almost certain that is the base, with the +? being the real deal breaker at the moment.....Personally if possible id like to see Kadri and Frattin returned in any trade for Luongo. Im very aware alot of T.O. fans wont be on board for both coming back but its just my opinion. A deal i would prefer that i think is decent value would revolve around Connolly+Kadri+Frattin+2nd for Luo + Raymond. Saw something very similar to this, if not exact, posted a while ago and liked it. Thoughts ?

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3 Options I'd consider


1) Kadri + Bozak

2) Bozak + Biggs + 2nd

3) Kadri + Ashton/Franson + 3rd
Your GM offered Kadri + Bozak + 2nd, so what you'd consider is ultimately irrelevant.

From what I've been able to piece together so far, Nucks are pretty firm on a top 4 or potential top 4 dman coming back. Which means Gardiner or Gunnarsson.

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Thing with Kadri is, he reminds me a lot of Michael Grabner back when Grabner was trying to find his way into the Canucks lineup. Offensively he's probably not as gifted of a goal scorer as Grabner was, but AV just doesn't trust rookies who are questionable in the defensive zone. Kadri next year isn't eligible to be sent down to the AHL without clearing waivers, so it's really make it or break it for him. I think he would clash with AV and wouldn't even be put in a situation to succeed here, thus making him a wasted asset.

And no one is selling Bozak short. He really isn't a good hockey player. Offensively you would have expected more out of him last year given his two linemates were PPG players. And defensively his stats are very bad.
I strongly feel that Bozak is a victim of being thrown into a situation that was above his skill level and his play suffered because of it. In a limited role, he will be more successful imo

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Those options would be viable if you were talking about acquiring Jose Theodore, but not Roberto Luongo.
Not sure if serious

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It seems to me that with all the talk in the media of Bozak + Kadri +? that it seems almost certain that is the base, with the +? being the real deal breaker at the moment.....Personally if possible id like to see Kadri and Frattin returned in any trade for Luongo. Im very aware alot of T.O. fans wont be on board for both coming back but its just my opinion. A deal i would prefer that i think is decent value would revolve around Connolly+Kadri+Frattin+2nd for Luo + Raymond. Saw something very similar to this, if not exact, posted a while ago and liked it. Thoughts ?
I think the + would be someone like Jake Gardiner, or perhaps a signed Joffrey Lupul. This is Roberto Luongo we're talking about here, there needs to be SOME value coming back.

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I strongly feel that Bozak is a victim of being thrown into a situation that was above his skill level and his play suffered because of it. In a limited role, he will be more successful imo
So then we're back to trading Luongo for a player with limited ability/potential, who's a pending UFA. Couldn't we just trade a 3rd round pick to another team and get a similar player?

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I think the + would be someone like Jake Gardiner, or perhaps a signed Joffrey Lupul. This is Roberto Luongo we're talking about here, there needs to be SOME value coming back.
Overpayment.

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Leaf fans think they can get a new best player on their team for garbage.

I don't really understand.

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How so? Schroeder just hasn't had the experience in the NHL, but I don't see what makes Bozak any good at all. Offensively and defensively Bozak just isn't a good hockey player.
as a small guy, Schroder can't even put up good numbers in the AHL and although he looks like one of the better players out there when I see him play, he is not dominating as I would hope if he was vying for the second line spot. Hodgson looked dominant at the AHL level, Schroeder looks above average

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Leaf fans think they can get a new best player on their team for garbage.

I don't really understand.
Well the Leafs were able to get Phaneuf for garbage. I just hope that Gillis isn't as stupid as Sutter was, but based on the fact that a deal hasn't been done to date (as in, before the CBA expired) I don't think this will be the case.

I believe that Luongo will return something useful to the Canucks, and not a slew of spare parts.

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I think the + would be someone like Jake Gardiner, or perhaps a signed Joffrey Lupul. This is Roberto Luongo we're talking about here, there needs to be SOME value coming back.
WOW. Just WOW.

Usually the + in a deal is a throw in. They have already reported the main pieces. No way the best piece is yet to come.

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WOW. Just WOW.

Usually the + in a deal is a throw in. They have already reported the main pieces. No way the best piece is yet to come.
who reported what?

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as a small guy, Schroder can't even put up good numbers in the AHL and although he looks like one of the better players out there when I see him play, he is not dominating as I would hope if he was vying for the second line spot. Hodgson looked dominant at the AHL level, Schroeder looks above average
Schroeder is given 2nd line minutes because Arneil favours veterans (such as Ebbett). Schroeder has greatly outplayed every other forward on the Wolves, yet doesn't get much of an opportunity.

Regardless, if we need another center why not trade a mid round draft pick for one? Or sign someone like Jason Arnott? Would make more sense to me than trading away an elite goalie for a pending UFA, mediocre 3rd line center, and an enigmatic prospect who you can see from miles away as a guy who will clash with our coach.

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Your GM offered Kadri + Bozak + 2nd, so what you'd consider is ultimately irrelevant.

From what I've been able to piece together so far, Nucks are pretty firm on a top 4 or potential top 4 dman coming back. Which means Gardiner or Gunnarsson.
So what he'd consider is irrelevant, but your speculation and wants are important? You're on a message board, get over yourself.

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WOW. Just WOW.

Usually the + in a deal is a throw in. They have already reported the main pieces. No way the best piece is yet to come.
Source? I have not read or heard anywhere that Bozak and Kadri are the "main" pieces.

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Schroeder is given 2nd line minutes because Arneil favours veterans (such as Ebbett). Schroeder has greatly outplayed every other forward on the Wolves, yet doesn't get much of an opportunity.

Regardless, if we need another center why not trade a mid round draft pick for one? Or sign someone like Jason Arnott? Would make more sense to me than trading away an elite goalie for a pending UFA, mediocre 3rd line center, and an enigmatic prospect who you can see from miles away as a guy who will clash with our coach.
whether we like it or not, we have a window for winning the cup. Gambling on B- level prospects to step in and play big rolls or players like Arnott that are complete jokes does not make us very competitive.

I realize the reasons for Schroder not getting the ice time that he deserves, but I meant from watching him play, I don't see the impact I would expect from a guy that would play in the top 6 on a contender (even temporarily)

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who reported what?
Sorry, I should have said, speculated (by practically every insider).

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I think the + would be someone like Jake Gardiner, or perhaps a signed Joffrey Lupul. This is Roberto Luongo we're talking about here, there needs to be SOME value coming back.
I can guareentee Gillis probably asked for Gardiner, or is still asking. I dont think theres any way Nonis gives him up though. I always felt Van and TO were horrible trading partners because TO doesnt have the expenable talent to match Luongo's, therfore it was always going to be a quantity deal for Luo. Im not a TO fan by any means but from an outside perspective if i was running there team theres no way i would give up Gardiner right now.

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whether we like it or not, we have a window for winning the cup. Gambling on B- level prospects to step in and play big rolls or players like Arnott that are complete jokes does not make us very competitive.

I realize the reasons for Schroder not getting the ice time that he deserves, but I meant from watching him play, I don't see the impact I would expect from a guy that would play in the top 6 on a contender (even temporarily)
What makes Tyler Bozak any better than someone like Jason Arnott? Tyler Bozak is not worth Roberto Luongo, and he's certainly not a top 6 forward on a contending team. I do not see what he brings that makes him a better temporary solution to our top 6.

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Sorry, I should have said, speculated (by practically every insider).
and for good reason

Bozak fills our most pressing need, and Kadri needs a change of scenery

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I can't wait till the trade goes down and one set of fans begin their "WTF kind of trade was that rants". Please come soon.

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