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01-12-2013, 07:32 PM
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And if only 1 of either happens.
It's one month per bet. You can chose either or both. I will honour all bets, meaning if I make a bet with multiple people and lose both, I will be rocking a Devils avatar of that persons choosing for each month incurred.



OK so I have hlaverty06 for both bets. Add JerseyGuy276 for both and JWINK19 for the standings. Add apice3 for the standings.


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01-12-2013, 07:34 PM
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Well, lets examine their seasons last year.

Carlson - GP 82 9-23-32 -15 hits 83, blocked shots 153, giveaways 92, take aways 31, TOI 21:51

Alzner - GP 82 1-16-17 +12, hits 74, blocked shots 139, giveaways 48, takeaways 18, TOI 20:52



Petry - GP 73 2-23-25 -7 hits 126, blocked shots 126, giveaways 89, takeaways 36, TOI 21:45

Smid - GP 78 5-10-15 +4 hits 186, blocked shots 184, Giveaways 47, takeaways 31, TOI 20:54


For some reason all of the Oilers D gets crapped on because we finished 29th. Doesn't anyone consider it might be due to guys like Potter and Peckham getting way more minutes than they should, as well as guys like Teubert and Barker playing 24 and 25 games respectively. Couple that with 2/3 of a season from butter soft Gilbert and a noticeably lingering ankle injury hampering Whitney and it is amazing that we didn't finish dead last defensively last year, all thanks to the play of Smid and Petry.

You may also want to read a little more thoroughly, as I said they are a similar - but less spectacular duo. Carlson and Petry play a similar style on the right side. Smid and Alzner play a similar style from the left side. I watched the entire Caps Rangers series and saw Carlson and Alzner raise their games to a new level, which is why I give them more credit. But I also watched 70+ Oilers games last year, and rarely felt disappointed with Smid or Petry's play.

But I suppose you (like nearly every HFBoards poster) will tell me that you have NHL centre ice and saw just as many Oiler games and my assessment is biased and wrong.
Nope, but I'm extremely skeptical of all real time stats, regardless of team. There's no standard for them, and every arena has some sort of bias which makes it nearly impossible to compare players from different teams. Even shots on goal is highly subjective.

For example, Edmonton was 5th in home blocked shots and 21st in road blocked shots, that's a huge discrepancy.

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It's one month per bet. You can chose either or both. I will honour all bets, meaning if I make a bet with multiple people and lose both, I will be rocking a Devils avatar of that persons choosing for each month incurred.
Your on in both.

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01-12-2013, 07:41 PM
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That was a terrible thread from the beginning but it just hit bottom.
I didn't think Edmonton/NJ trade proposals could get worse... but we've hit another level here.

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01-12-2013, 07:41 PM
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People in this thread are comparing Petry/Smid to Carlson/Alzner, and which I don't even come close to agreeing with at this point.
It's actually a pretty good comparison. I think you'd have a hard time finding two pairings in the league as similar as these two. I need to see another good year out of Petry before I put them on that level though. Smid is very good second pairing defenseman.

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01-12-2013, 07:49 PM
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Nope, but I'm extremely skeptical of all real time stats, regardless of team. There's no standard for them, and every arena has some sort of bias which makes it nearly impossible to compare players from different teams. Even shots on goal is highly subjective.

For example, Edmonton was 5th in home blocked shots and 21st in road blocked shots, that's a huge discrepancy.
There are always strange discrepancies.

Edmonton was 21st in home PK% but 13th on the road.

Home PP% 3rd, Road 11th

Home goals for 24th, road GF 14th

Strange right?

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01-12-2013, 07:51 PM
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There are always strange discrepancies.

Edmonton was 21st in home PK% but 13th on the road.

Home PP% 3rd, Road 11th

Home goals for 24th, road GF 14th

Strange right?
Well goals are finite things: it either IS a goal or it is NOT a goal. You can't really fudge the numbers like you can with hits, takeaways, etc.

If stat counters started adding phantom goals to pad stats I think someone else might notice

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01-12-2013, 08:05 PM
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The 112 hit difference between Smid and Alzner is kind of hard to fudge. As for the avatar bet, I'll take the bet on the standings.

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01-12-2013, 08:12 PM
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I have seen Schultz play, anointing him a 2nd pairing D based on playing at a higher level than AHL'ers is silly.
Which could be a very silly statement in itself it becomes obvious very early in the season how good he can be.

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Hits and shots are to me, antecdotally speaking, hard to
register in Edmonton than a few other cities, for Example Dallas and Minny.

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01-12-2013, 08:20 PM
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Which could be a very silly statement in itself it becomes obvious very early in the season how good he can be.
This too is obnoxious because you haven't seen him play against much higher skilled players....the argument some NHL players are in the AHL,

Really the likes of a Crosby, Malkin, Iginla, Toews, Kovalchuk, Stamkos are not in the AHL

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01-12-2013, 08:23 PM
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This too is obnoxious because you haven't seen him play against much higher skilled players....the argument some NHL players are in the AHL,

Really the likes of a Crosby, Malkin, Iginla, Toews, Kovalchuk, Stamkos are not in the AHL
That's great. Not sure what it has to do with anything.

Henrique wasn't playing against them in the AHL, and Eberle wasn't playing against them in the WHL.

It's ridiculous to say there shouldn't be any expectations because he hasn't yet had the chance to play in the NHL.

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01-12-2013, 08:25 PM
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Well goals are finite things: it either IS a goal or it is NOT a goal. You can't really fudge the numbers like you can with hits, takeaways, etc.

If stat counters started adding phantom goals to pad stats I think someone else might notice
I was being sarcastic

My point, was that just because there was a discrepancy it doesn't dispute what happened.

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01-12-2013, 08:27 PM
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Zeus contradicting himself

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Petry and Jones for McD or Staal?

Ya, didn't think so.
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Doesn't matter. The offer was still depth guys for a stud.
By your definition Petry is a 4/5/6/7 D who is not essential to the team and can easily be replaced.

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01-12-2013, 08:50 PM
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OK, let's put some pride on the line too match these expert opinions. Avatar bets. One month (per bet). I'll bet the Oilers finish higher than Jersey in the standings, and I'll bet Schultz out scores any New Jersey defenceman. Any takers?
I'll take the team vs team bet.

You can start your month now, if you want.

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01-12-2013, 08:57 PM
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Please, please don't tell me you added Tallinder's 2 game season in 2001-2002 into your calculations. I'm gonna bet that you did. Volchenkov is injured often because of his style of play, it'll be a shock if he manages to play a full season. There's nothing about Hemsky's style that really should require him to get injured as often as he does.
Hemsky's style is that he is a WUSSY.

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01-12-2013, 09:00 PM
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Hemsky's style is that he is a WUSSY.
It's ok to admit you've never seen him play.

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01-12-2013, 09:01 PM
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I'll take the team vs team bet.

You can start your month now, if you want.
Kovalchuk's return still up in the air, Fatso a year older and the fact the Devs play in the toughest division in hockey? I like my chances.

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I'd be glad to do that for Volchenkov.

Whitney-Volchenkov
Petry-Smid
Schultz-Schultz

I can't figure out which pairing would get more minutes.

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I'll take the team vs team bet.

You can start your month now, if you want.
Is it just me or is this a bad bet. Too many divisional games this season and the NW division blows.

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01-12-2013, 09:08 PM
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Kovalchuk's return still up in the air, Fatso a year older and the fact the Devs play in the toughest division in hockey? I like my chances.
Have you been paying attention at all the past two days?

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01-12-2013, 09:10 PM
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Have you been paying attention at all the past two days?
To be fair, he's not a Devils fan, and I'm sure the media twisting the story of Kovalchuk staying in the KHL got more coverage then him rebutting it and saying he's coming back. No one is getting hits for the latter but the former will make every read.

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Have you been paying attention at all the past two days?
So he's back after the KHL All-Star game then? I hadn't heard. My bad. Still not worried though.

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Hemsky's style is that he is a WUSSY.
No

This is COMPLETELY and UTTERLY WRONG

Being injury prone is different than being scared. Hemsky goes into dirty zones and will take hits to make plays.
Back when he was one of the few talented players on the roster, he was the target of opposing defensemen game-in, game-out.

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I'm a Devils fan and I don't want any part of the first half of the bet- I think this season plays right into EDM's hands.

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