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01-12-2013, 10:28 PM
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There is the argument that it would be easier to attract UFAs if we were a playoff team with a good goalie.
Still we would be a team with a ton of holes and how many good teams are built through free agency.
Exactly. I'm so puzzled by the Lou to Toronto idea. That'd be like the Jackets trading for him. It could make them a fringe team at best.

The NY Rangers have been a UFA destination and have always landed the biggest names - and their brightest spots are always the guys like Krieder, Callahan, McDonough, and the Redden, Gomez, Drury, and soon to be Brad Richard's are the guys who never end up being worth it.

The problem was that Burke didn't go full rebuild and couldn't go all out to win now, so he ended up stuck in neutral. The right thing to do is either go with Reimer or trade for Bernier or someone you think can be good now AND for the future.

If you believe Gardiner, Kadri, and the guy drafted last year are the core- well, Bobby Lou will be 38 when those guys are hitting their stride. And you'll need goaltending again, but will be stuck with him on the books.

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01-12-2013, 10:29 PM
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Still cheaper than Raymond. I respect that he would have value to some teams but I dont really see it for ours. We already have too many small quick forwards. Maybe we could flip him to one of the other teams but other than that I dont really want him.

Than again it was our GM that drafted him so he might see more value in him than I do.
Raymond, for all the flack he's gotten, is a good back checker and a solid PKer on a good PK team. Carlyle would probably like him a lot.

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01-12-2013, 10:31 PM
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FA?

Dan Ellis was a proposed signing earlier and he's having a decent year in the AHL on Charlotte.
Yeah the guys on SN made it sound like a deal was off, but yeah they could easily sign a free agent.

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01-12-2013, 10:33 PM
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Here's a little anecdote.

Supposing Kessel had to be traded.

Suppose Leafs fans asked for Kesler in return. Fair, reasonable, etc. But we can't give him up due to our centre depth.

So instead they ask for Hodgson(for anecdotes sake, pretend we still have him)) + Jensen + 1st

We say Hodgson is untouchable, can't be traded, etc, especially given Kessel is a UFA in a year and a half, so it's too risky. So replace him with Schroeder and add a prospect like Eddie Lack.

Oh, and also, we need a 1st in this draft, as our prospect pool greatly lacks a legitimate franchise defenseman prospect that our team has needed since forever, who we might get in such a deep draft. So change the 1st out for Raymond + 2nd.

So Schroeder + Lack + Jensen + Raymond + 2nd
for Kessel + Franson

Now do people see why quantity for quality isn't appealing to fans of a team? Obviously Kessel has more value than Luongo, but to dilute that value to the point where any impact that the pieces will have pales in comparison to the player getting traded, especially when it does very little for the other team, it gives litte incentive to accept a trade like that

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01-12-2013, 10:34 PM
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Raymond, for all the flack he's gotten, is a good back checker and a solid PKer on a good PK team. Carlyle would probably like him a lot.
I understand he is solid defensively but we have a desperate need to get bigger and harder to play against. Raymond doesnt help us do that.

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01-12-2013, 10:35 PM
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Here's a little anecdote.

Supposing Kessel had to be traded.

Suppose Leafs fans asked for Kesler in return. Fair, reasonable, etc. But we can't give him up due to our centre depth.

So instead they ask for Hodgson(for anecdotes sake, pretend we still have him)) + Jensen + 1st

We say Hodgson is untouchable, can't be traded, etc, especially given Kessel is a UFA in a year and a half, so it's too risky. So replace him with Schroeder and add a prospect like Eddie Lack.

Oh, and also, we need a 1st in this draft, as our prospect pool greatly lacks a legitimate franchise defenseman prospect that our team has needed since forever, who we might get in such a deep draft. So change the 1st out for Raymond + 2nd.

So Schroeder + Lack + Jensen + Raymond + 2nd
for Kessel + Franson

Now do people see why quantity for quality isn't appealing to fans of a team? Obviously Kessel has more value than Luongo, but to dilute that value to the point where any impact that the pieces will have pales in comparison to the player getting traded, especially when it does very little for the other team, it gives litte incentive to accept a trade like that
Really good post tbh

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I would move him for Lu if that is what it took to get it done but I would be very hesitant.

Big, strong, fast two way guys like him are hard to find.
I think it's stupid for Vancouver fans to be suggesting Gardiner, but Kulemin for Luongo sounds like more of a fair deal to me, and I would do it in a heartbeat.

I'm sure he's something of a fan favorite, but he's not part of your immediate core, is he? I think you gotta be willing give him up for a guy like Luongo, personally.

I would do it straight up, personally

I think the Kadri/Bozak deals are awful, personally.


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I think it's stupid for Vancouver fans to be suggesting Gardiner, but Kulemin for Luongo sounds like more of a fair deal to me, and I would do it in a heartbeat.

I'm sure he's something of a fan favorite, but he's not part of your immediate core, is he? I think you gotta be willing give him up for a guy like Luongo, personally.

I would do it straight up, personally

I think the Kadri/Bozak deals are awful, personally.
No way I do it straight up, not a chance but I agree with most of the rest if your post


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I think it's stupid for Vancouver fans to be suggesting Gardiner, but Kulemin for Luongo sounds like more of a fair deal to me, and I would do it in a heartbeat.

I'm sure he's something of a fan favorite, but he's not part of your immediate core, is he? I think you gotta be willing give him up for a guy like Luongo, personally.

I would do it straight up, personally

I think the Kadri/Bozak deals are awful, personally.
Kulemin for Lu ??? Hahahahaha

I see the BC Ganga is tasting good tonight. Thx for the laugh. I'd rather keep Lu then take on Leaf garbage. A game every 2nd night with the leagues best tandem, yes please. Gillis doesn't like Russians either.


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they just said on SN that Eddie Lack is out for a month..could put the hold on a Luongo deal. Who the heck is going to back up Schneider if Luongo gets moved
Theodore or Clemm

I mentioned a day or two ago that Lack would be out for awhile/Canucks knew LIKELY before I did

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I think it's stupid for Vancouver fans to be suggesting Gardiner, but Kulemin for Luongo sounds like more of a fair deal to me, and I would do it in a heartbeat.

I'm sure he's something of a fan favorite, but he's not part of your immediate core, is he? I think you gotta be willing give him up for a guy like Luongo, personally.

I would do it straight up, personally

I think the Kadri/Bozak deals are awful, personally.
I'd be willing to trade Kulie for Luongo. I wouldnt like it but I would do it.
I still think we would have to add some lesser prospects or picks.


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Exactly. I'm so puzzled by the Lou to Toronto idea. That'd be like the Jackets trading for him. It could make them a fringe team at best.

The NY Rangers have been a UFA destination and have always landed the biggest names - and their brightest spots are always the guys like Krieder, Callahan, McDonough, and the Redden, Gomez, Drury, and soon to be Brad Richard's are the guys who never end up being worth it.

The problem was that Burke didn't go full rebuild and couldn't go all out to win now, so he ended up stuck in neutral. The right thing to do is either go with Reimer or trade for Bernier or someone you think can be good now AND for the future.

If you believe Gardiner, Kadri, and the guy drafted last year are the core- well, Bobby Lou will be 38 when those guys are hitting their stride. And you'll need goaltending again, but will be stuck with him on the books.
The Leafs only get secondary crap free agents. Of course the team wasn't going to play well. The Leafs will never get top free agent with mediocre at best goaltending. Getzlaf or Perry are not signing in TO with Reimer as the starter. The Leafs have zero prospects that will be that good. So yes, free agency can be good for a team.


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Not saying it would happen, but I keep hearing people telling me the Oilers are in on Luongo... Watch the Oil to make some big move here.

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Not saying it would happen, but I keep hearing people telling me the Oilers are in on Luongo... Watch the Oil to make some big move here.
Pfff... We discussed this Eklund, the Oilers wont like the price for Luongo... (because of in-division, not because of value).

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No way I do it straight up, not a chance but I agree with most of the rest if your post
Well, I'd want maximum return as well, but I think it's a somewhat healthy compromise. I'd rather have Kulemin on this team than Bozak + Kadri + other players around the same caliber + picks, personally

Leafs fans DO have a point about Luongo not likely to return full value, they've just taken it too far with giving us their garbage.

Honestly, all I expect out of a Luongo trade is a fantastic role player or some solid player who can actually contribute and be a somewhat key member of the team. Kulemin would be one of those guys, IMO-- he'd be like adding another Higgins or Hansen to this team, which would be excellent.

I just have no interest in adding Bozak or Kadri to this team whatsoever (even if we're giving up significantly less than Luongo)

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Higgins - Kesler - Booth
Kulemin - Lapierre - Hansen
Raymond - Malhotra - Kassian

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Edler - Garrison
Ballard - Tanev

Schneider
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Looks like a very strong lineup to me.

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Not saying it would happen, but I keep hearing people telling me the Oilers are in on Luongo... Watch the Oil to make some big move here.
Ohh eklund. Keep naming Canadian teams to get those hits.

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Well, I'd want maximum return as well, but I think it's a somewhat healthy compromise. I'd rather have Kulemin on this team than Bozak + Kadri + other players around the same caliber + picks, personally

Leafs fans DO have a point about Luongo not likely to return full value, they've just taken it too far with giving us their garbage.

Honestly, all I expect out of a Luongo trade is a fantastic role player or some solid player who can actually contribute and be a somewhat key member of the team. Kulemin would be one of those guys, IMO-- he'd be like adding another Higgins or Hansen to this team, which would be excellent.

I just have no interest in adding Bozak or Kadri to this team whatsoever (even if we're giving up significantly less than Luongo)

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Higgins - Kesler - Booth
Kulemin - Lapierre - Hansen
Raymond - Malhotra - Kassian

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Edler - Garrison
Ballard - Tanev

Schneider
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Looks like a very strong lineup to me.
I expect that and a pick, minimum. Kulemin + conditional 1st is the bare minimum that i'd consider reasonable for Luongo.

(Of course the condition is it's a 2nd if the Leafs miss the playoffs yada yada).

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Pfff... We discussed this Eklund, the Oilers wont like the price for Luongo... (because of in-division, not because of value).
I really think it would require the deal to include one of the big 4 for Gillis to agree to send Luongo to Edmonton.

However...........if he did go to Edmonton, look out. I think he would be lights out there.

(Edmonton won't trade any of the big 4 or 5, I should qualify).

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Luongo to Ottawa for Anderson and Spezza!

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I expect that and a pick, minimum. Kulemin + conditional 1st is the bare minimum that i'd consider reasonable for Luongo.

(Of course the condition is it's a 2nd if the Leafs miss the playoffs yada yada).
Yeah, fine, I'd like a pick too, but first and foremost I would like Kulemin on this team and NOT the other crap being thrown at us.

I honestly believe that both Kadri and Bozak would be pretty worthless on this team. I don't care so much about quantity adding up to fair value-- I just want a solid player out of this. Bozak is........ bleghh! Like adding another slightly better Raymond. We don't even remotely need that. We're not trading Luongo just to survive the month we play without Kesler.

Get another Hansen or Higgins type, at the very least.


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Trades are officially legal. Let's end this.

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Kulemin alone is absurd. He's coming off of a 7-goal season, and while he likely becomes a solid 20-20 guy going forward, there's no way he alone could net Luongo.

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Yeah, fine, I'd like a pick too, but first and foremost I would like Kulemin on this team and NOT the other crap being thrown at us.

I honestly believe that both Kadri and Bozak would be pretty worthless on this team.
I'd rather Kulemin than Kadri, Frattin etc... that's for sure.

Definitely more than Connolly, Komisarek and the cap dumps.

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