HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > General Hockey Discussion > Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk Trade rumors, transactions, and free agent talk. Rumors must contain the word RUMOR in post title. Proposals must contain the word PROPOSAL in post title.

Dal-Tor

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
01-13-2013, 09:54 AM
  #1
Hockey 4 Life
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 622
vCash: 500
Dal-Tor

Benn will more then likely sign long term with the stars but if he doesn't would this trade work for dallas in regards to value ?

To
Dallas
Kessel
Gardiner
Bozak/Conolly
Reimer
2014 1st

Toronto
Benn
Lehtonen
oleksiak

Toronto gets its # 1c and a# 1 goalie and a solid d prospect, dallas gets a #1 winger, a #2c behind roy and a 1st in 2014 and a potential 1b starter. There could be tweaks to the deal but in terms of value I think it's close. What do fans from either team think ?


Last edited by Hockey 4 Life: 01-13-2013 at 10:10 AM.
Hockey 4 Life is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-13-2013, 09:56 AM
  #2
Dr John Carlson
Emotional Boys 2001
 
Dr John Carlson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Nova Scotia
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,551
vCash: 50
From a neutral fan, Toronto gets fleeced.

Dr John Carlson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-13-2013, 09:58 AM
  #3
DKQ
Generic User Title
 
DKQ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Press Box
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,127
vCash: 500
Kessel is about equivalent to Benn, a TOR 1st in 2014 is equivalent to Oleksiak. Is Toronto trading Gardiner just to get rid of Connolly's salary?

DKQ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-13-2013, 09:58 AM
  #4
Ampersand
Dallas Stars Fan
 
Ampersand's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Calgary
Country: Sweden
Posts: 1,528
vCash: 500
No thanks, this is brutal

Ampersand is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-13-2013, 10:00 AM
  #5
Hockey 4 Life
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 622
vCash: 500
Took out oleksiak and put in lehtonen might be lopsided the other way now but thats the fun of online boards. Thanks for the input.

Hockey 4 Life is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-13-2013, 10:00 AM
  #6
BayStBullies
Burn the Boats!
 
BayStBullies's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: @BayStBullies
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,863
vCash: 500
I have a hard time moving Kessel alone for that package; throwing away Gardiner and a 1st is asinine.

BayStBullies is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-13-2013, 10:01 AM
  #7
English stars fan
Registered User
 
English stars fan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: UK
Posts: 408
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ampersand View Post
No thanks, this is brutal
Are you nuts? I know we value Benn highly (and rightly so) but any deal with 5 pieces coming back, 2 of which are Kessel and Gardiner, has to at least be considered.

English stars fan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-13-2013, 10:02 AM
  #8
Hockey 4 Life
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 622
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by English stars fan View Post
Are you nuts? I know we value Benn highly (and rightly so) but any deal with 5 pieces coming back, 2 of which are Kessel and Gardiner, has to at least be considered.
I agree, and I think under the assumption that benn can't be signed this really helps to rebuild the stars while keeping them competitive in the process.

Hockey 4 Life is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-13-2013, 10:04 AM
  #9
GordieHoweHatTrick
Registered User
 
GordieHoweHatTrick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Toronto
Posts: 12,910
vCash: 500
Jamie Benn already stated he prefers the anonimity in the Dallas market to playing for any Canadian market. He'll be back with Dallas

GordieHoweHatTrick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-13-2013, 10:04 AM
  #10
Analyzer
#WeAreBoston
 
Analyzer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Renfrew, ON.
Country: Canada
Posts: 41,192
vCash: 500
Why does Toronto do this ?

Analyzer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-13-2013, 10:04 AM
  #11
Flukeshot
Holmgren activate!
 
Flukeshot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Milton, Ont
Country: Antarctica
Posts: 1,780
vCash: 50
Value aside, this just puts Dallas in Toronto's current situation. A problem in goal and a group of forwards that won't be around in two years when that goalie problem might be fixed.

Flukeshot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-13-2013, 10:05 AM
  #12
Fire Lindy
Trust the System
 
Fire Lindy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 3,842
vCash: 500
Kessel is only 2 years older than Benn and they put up very similar numbers..this deal looks awful for Toronto..

What makes Benn so much better than Kessel?

Fire Lindy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-13-2013, 10:05 AM
  #13
English stars fan
Registered User
 
English stars fan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: UK
Posts: 408
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by GordieHoweHatTrick View Post
Jamie Benn already stated he prefers the anonimity in the Dallas market to playing for any Canadian market. He'll be back with Dallas
Oh I don't disagree, but if GMJN receives a "blow me away" offer he'd be dumb not to listen

English stars fan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-13-2013, 10:05 AM
  #14
Phion Keneuf
Top Dawg Ent.
 
Phion Keneuf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Vaughan, Ontario
Country: Italy
Posts: 27,929
vCash: 500
Leafs say **** no

Phion Keneuf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-13-2013, 10:07 AM
  #15
HarrisonFord
He's baaaaaack
 
HarrisonFord's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 9,178
vCash: 500
Toronto gets forceably bent over

HarrisonFord is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-13-2013, 10:08 AM
  #16
DespoticNewt
Registered User
 
DespoticNewt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Country: Canada
Posts: 9,328
vCash: 234
Quote:
Originally Posted by Analyzer View Post
Why does Toronto do this ?
Because their record with trades is abyssmal, so this would be par for the course.

DespoticNewt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-13-2013, 10:11 AM
  #17
Hockey 4 Life
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 622
vCash: 500
I added in oleksiak does the bridge the value gap a little for toronto ?

Hockey 4 Life is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-13-2013, 10:12 AM
  #18
The Podium
Formerly chrisx101
 
The Podium's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 11,360
vCash: 657
Take out Gardiner (and Oleksiak if it skews value the other way) and then id really consider it, going into the season with

JVR - Benn - Lupul
Kulemin - Grabovski - MacArthur
Frattin - McClement - Kadri
Komarov - Steckel - Brown

Phaneuf - Gunnarsson
Gardiner - Komisarek
Franson - Liles

Lehtonen
Scrivens

Leaves our only holes as #4D and backup goaltender......

May just be my man-crush on Benn, but hes probably the only player id move Kessel for (in a feasible deal of corse)

The Podium is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-13-2013, 10:12 AM
  #19
The Podium
Formerly chrisx101
 
The Podium's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 11,360
vCash: 657
Quote:
Originally Posted by DespoticNewt View Post
Because their record with trades is abyssmal, so this would be par for the course.
Not sure if serious

The Podium is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-13-2013, 10:23 AM
  #20
glenbuis
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 733
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by RockFlagAndEagle View Post
Kessel is only 2 years older than Benn and they put up very similar numbers..this deal looks awful for Toronto..

What makes Benn so much better than Kessel?
Well for one he hits like a tank, He's far stronger, kills penalties with the best of them, will eventually be scoring more goals consistently and generally plays much grittier. I would not take gardiner and kessel for Benn. Lehtonen is far greater than Reimer, much more than Bozak or Connoley would make up. If the leafs got out of basement and made playoffs behind Benn and Lehtonen, Oleksiak is worth more than a 16-30 pick. I would say no from Dallas and if I couldn't sign Benn, I would be looking for different building blocks.


Last edited by glenbuis: 01-13-2013 at 10:29 AM.
glenbuis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-13-2013, 10:25 AM
  #21
therealkoho
Gary says it's A-OK
 
therealkoho's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: the Prior
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,860
vCash: 500
you can't trade scraps/cast-offs/cast-aways/simul-casts/casting reels/strato-casters and never were's for players that still won't get you to the promised land

if anything the Leafs should move Lupul, Gardiner and that 1st to the Broons for Nathan Horton and Jared Knight

therealkoho is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-13-2013, 10:28 AM
  #22
Kessely Snipes
Great White North
 
Kessely Snipes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Regina, SK
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,445
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phion Keneuf View Post
Leafs say **** no
Pretty much this lol.

Kessely Snipes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-13-2013, 10:29 AM
  #23
FifthLine
Leaf Syndrome
 
FifthLine's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,150
vCash: 400
Quote:
Originally Posted by DespoticNewt View Post
Because their record with trades is abyssmal, so this would be par for the course.
your right, Dion Phaneuf and Keith Aulie for Stajan, Hagman, White and Mayers ;awful deal for the leafs

JVR for Schenn; again terrible

Dumping Toskala and Blakes contract for one year of Giguere; see above

And we can't forget how bad the Anaheim deal was for the leafs. You know, the one where we trade Beauchemin for Jake Gardiner and Lupul.

Terrible track record with trades

FifthLine is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-13-2013, 10:30 AM
  #24
Frozen Failure
Best Threadkiller
 
Frozen Failure's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Richardson, TX
Country: Canada
Posts: 6,442
vCash: 2111
Send a message via AIM to Frozen Failure Send a message via Yahoo to Frozen Failure
Everyone involved says no. Your proposal is bad and you should feel bad.

Frozen Failure is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-13-2013, 10:31 AM
  #25
TieClark
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 4,050
vCash: 500
It does not make sense to include Kessel in this deal... narrow it right down to Gardiner and the 1st for Benn and expand from there. Neither side would be thrilled with that which leaves it at a good starting point for a realistic trade.

TieClark is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:49 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.