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01-13-2013, 10:14 AM
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That or he has no intention of trading our future star defenseman. I'll go with the ladder.
As long as the contract makes sense, than yes.

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Except PK is twice the player that MDZ is. Sure MDZ has some great offensive numbers and he moves the puck well, but we are talking MAB-caliber defense skills at this point...
Absolute joke. Watch some Rangers games.

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01-13-2013, 10:17 AM
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Absolute joke. Watch some Rangers games.


I knew it wouldn't take long to bait one of you in.

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Absolute joke. Watch some Rangers games.
What's wrong with what he said? I saw Del Zotto plenty on the Rangers last year and in the playoffs and that sounds about right.

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I knew it wouldn't take long to bait one of you in.


lol. In all fairness, Subban > MDZ, but your post was way off base.

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What's wrong with what he said? I saw Del Zotto plenty on the Rangers last year and in the playoffs and that sounds about right.
MDZ has more physicality in his pinky then MAB has in his whole body. Sure, he's prone to the occasional defensive lapse or bad game, but what young defenseman isn't?

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Hopefully it makes PK realize that most teams not just the Habs offer these 2 years deals before long term deals
Considering Meehan is the one who represents them both, not sure how he can be asking for Doughty money and term (if that is the case) after the MDZ deal. PK between $4-5M makes sense on a 2-3 year contract. Too much over that and he's dreaming.

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01-13-2013, 10:23 AM
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lol. In all fairness, Subban > MDZ, but your post was way off base.
It was for dramatic effect more than anything. I know he's not that bad, but Subban is definitely in a different class in his own zone which was my main point I was trying to get across.

I'd argue the difference in offensive output is negligible given how much better the NYR are compared to the Habs, odds are Subban picks up the difference playing on that squad.

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01-13-2013, 10:26 AM
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Considering Meehan is the one who represents them both, not sure how he can be asking for Doughty money and term (if that is the case) after the MDZ deal. PK between $4-5M makes sense on a 2-3 year contract. Too much over that and he's dreaming.
Precisely what I'm getting at.

He should be getting a Carlson-like pay day and nothing more. In fact his deal is a steal for the Caps given it's a 6yr deal.

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01-13-2013, 10:30 AM
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Precisely what I'm getting at.

He should be getting a Carlson-like pay day and nothing more. In fact his deal is a steal for the Caps given it's a 6yr deal.
I have no problem with longer term if it eats some UFA years a friendly cap number.

That being said, I still don't think they trade him if he doesn't sign. Let him sit and think about playing. That's the beauty of him being an RFA. If another team offer sheets him, which rarely happens, you can still match and poach the offering team in the future for pay back.

While a trade is always a possibility, I'll take Bergys word that its not something he's thinking of or wants to do.

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01-13-2013, 10:37 AM
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I have no problem with longer term if it eats some UFA years a friendly cap number.

That being said, I still don't think they trade him if he doesn't sign. Let him sit and think about playing. That's the beauty of him being an RFA. If another team offer sheets him, which rarely happens, you can still match and poach the offering team in the future for pay back.

While a trade is always a possibility, I'll take Bergys word that its not something he's thinking of or wants to do.
That's fair.

Subban taking the year off might just gift-wrap us another Top-5 pick too, which wouldn't be a terrible thing..

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01-13-2013, 10:42 AM
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Absolute joke. Watch some Rangers games.
MDZ is a good player, the MAB comment on D seems way off base....you guys have a good player, at a very reasonable price for the next 2 yrs...

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01-13-2013, 10:45 AM
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Considering Meehan is the one who represents them both, not sure how he can be asking for Doughty money and term (if that is the case) after the MDZ deal. PK between $4-5M makes sense on a 2-3 year contract. Too much over that and he's dreaming.
Meehan isnt the problem its his client

Del zotto thinks a 2 year deal is great for him, but PK wants 5 years+ Meehan has to do what his client is asking him

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Subban is probably forcing his way out in solidarity with his mentor Scott Gomez.

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01-13-2013, 10:50 AM
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Meehan isnt the problem its his client

Del zotto thinks a 2 year deal is great for him, but PK wants 5 years+ Meehan has to do what his client is asking him
Well we don't know what their conversations are so let's not jump the gun. Presumably an agents job is to advise his clients. If the client is being unreasonable in their demands, it's the agents job to manage their expectations and get them the best deal available. Sitting out, if that's what PK decides to do would be on him but that hasn't happened yet. All these negotiations are based on comparables, so MDZ signing for that term and amount only helps Bergy.

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01-13-2013, 10:56 AM
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Well we don't know what their conversations are so let's not jump the gun. Presumably an agents job is to advise his clients. If the client is being unreasonable in their demands, it's the agents job to manage their expectations and get them the best deal available. Sitting out, if that's what PK decides to do would be on him but that hasn't happened yet. All these negotiations are based on comparables, so MDZ signing for that term and amount only helps Bergy.
Well said.

The comparable signings should temper Subban's expectations, hopefully. My curiosity on this is peaking because I'm wondering if it's Bergevin maintaining old club policies on second-term contracts or if it's just Subban thinking he's the second coming of Bobby Orr. We'll know more once the contract is signed to be certain.

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01-13-2013, 11:11 AM
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That's fair.

Subban taking the year off might just gift-wrap us another Top-5 pick too, which wouldn't be a terrible thing..
Does it mean that he can become UFA next July ?

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Could Subban ask for arbitration? Not sure hewould, but wondering if he qualifies...

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I'm really starting to wonder if PK is going to be traded..

Not totally against the idea as long as we get a good return.
You'll never get a good return if you trade Subban at this moment.

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You'll never get a good return if you trade Subban at this moment.
Unless it's for Bobby Ryan.

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Sign him long term and let's play hockey.

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Unless it's for Bobby Ryan.
If Subban reaches his ceiling, I'd much rather have him than Ryan.

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01-13-2013, 12:17 PM
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Does it mean that he can become UFA next July ?
Nope.

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Could Subban ask for arbitration? Not sure hewould, but wondering if he qualifies...
Nope.

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01-13-2013, 12:38 PM
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Subban will not be sitting out. Why are we always discussing these doomsday scenarios. He's in a negotiation to get the best deal for himself. He will be here on opening night.

Relax.

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You'll never get a good return if you trade Subban at this moment.
Sure you would.

I'm not saying that we should deal the guy but there's 29 other teams that would make huge offers to get him.

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trade him for corey perry

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