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Let's try to decide who are our "untouchables"

View Poll Results: Who are the Sens "untouchables"
Spezza, Jason 140 83.83%
Michalek, Milan 11 6.59%
Latendresse, G. 4 2.40%
Neil, Chris 42 25.15%
Zibanejad, Mika 20 11.98%
Turris, Kyle 70 41.92%
Greening, Colin 13 7.78%
Regin, Peter 5 2.99%
Smith, Zack 15 8.98%
O'Brien, Jim 3 1.80%
Condra, Erik 6 3.59%
Karlsson, Erik 163 97.60%
Phillips, Chris 17 10.18%
Methot, Marc 8 4.79%
Cowen, Jared 88 52.69%
Anderson, Craig 8 4.79%
Bishop, Ben 5 2.99%
Lehner, Robin 122 73.05%
Borowiecki, Mark 8 4.79%
Ceci, Cody 23 13.77%
Wiercioch, P. 10 5.99%
Da Costa, S. 5 2.99%
Hoffman, Mike 5 2.99%
Noesen, Stefan 19 11.38%
Peltz, Brad 11 6.59%
Petersson, Andre 4 2.40%
Prince, Shane 6 3.59%
Puempel, Matt 6 3.59%
Silfverberg, J. 98 58.68%
Stone, Mark 23 13.77%
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01-13-2013, 03:41 AM
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Pretty surprised to see that Silf has more votes than Cowen.

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01-13-2013, 03:53 AM
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Karlsson is the only guy on my list. The only guys who should be "untouchable" are generational talents, and the only one on our team is Karlsson.

I'd be open to trading anyone else on the roster. Now, what I'd want for those players is another thing entirely, but if we're talking "no way, no how, not a chance I'd ever deal"... then it's Karlsson. C'est tous.

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01-13-2013, 04:42 AM
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Crosby was untouchable before he played 1 game in the NHL.

Nash got traded because he personally asked to be traded.

A potential franchise goalie can be untouchable. Lehner is somewhat proven in the NHL.
Lehner is nowhere close to proven...

Come back when he's got at least 70+ games under his belt and you MIGHT have a point...

(And btw, I love Lehner as much as the next guy but c'mon)

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01-13-2013, 04:48 AM
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Lehner is nowhere close to proven...

Come back when he's got at least 70+ games under his belt and you MIGHT have a point...

(And btw, I love Lehner as much as the next guy but c'mon)
Lehner has been the best goalie in the AHL, and has been solid in all but 1 or 2 games with the Sens. May not be proven, but he has a great track record

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01-13-2013, 06:00 AM
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1) Lehner (young, cheap, high ceiling, mental fortitude)
2) Karlsson (young, proven, eats ice time for breakfast, potential to be even better)
3) Zibanejad (young, cheap, gritty with upside)
4) Silfverberg (young, cheap, extremely intelligent & hard working, dynamic two way forward)
5) Cowen (young, cheap, already solid with massive potential to compliment EK)
6) Stone (young, cheap, smart, gritty, soft hands & already solid defensively)
7) Spezza (currently our best forward, game changing skill)

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01-13-2013, 06:24 AM
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Everyone is a commodity depending on what offer is proposed, except Cannone and Benoit. And as for Lehner I seriously hope he does well because I realise the franchise is investing in him but I dont think it'll be long till he's tradebait like every other goalie that has been in this organisation with the exception of Lalime and Tugger who served lengthy stints.

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01-13-2013, 07:49 AM
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Ugh, I somehow missed Lehner.

Karlsson
Cowen
Spezza
Turris
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01-13-2013, 09:44 AM
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One name that hasn't been said yet (who admittedly isn't a player and I don't think even could theoretically be traded) is McStache. He deserves a lot of credit for the team's turnaround last year, and if coaches, GMs, etc could be traded, he would require ridiculous overpayment. If last year is any indication, he could be the Stamkos of head coaches.

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01-13-2013, 09:47 AM
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1) Lehner (young, cheap, high ceiling, mental fortitude)
2) Karlsson (young, proven, eats ice time for breakfast, potential to be even better)
3) Zibanejad (young, cheap, gritty with upside)
4) Silfverberg (young, cheap, extremely intelligent & hard working, dynamic two way forward)
5) Cowen (young, cheap, already solid with massive potential to compliment EK)
6) Stone (young, cheap, smart, gritty, soft hands & already solid defensively)
7) Spezza (currently our best forward, game changing skill)
Being young and cheap is only a positive if the player plays above his contract. Right now between not playing any games or not doing much when he does play Zibanejad is probably over paid. One must take in to account that his sub-par play is directly related to the amount of consecutive games he has been able to play though.

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I think Karlsson and Cowen are pretty much the only touchables on the club. Spezza is pretty close, too. I'm not sure if Alfredsson is untouchable. Specifically, if the team is out of playoff contention, I could see Murray asking Alfredsson to give him a list of teams to whom to trade him, and I think Alfredsson would accommodate the request.

I also think a lot of the youngsters could be had for the right price, whether it's Silfverberg, Lehner, Z-bad, or Stone.

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01-13-2013, 10:16 AM
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I think Karlsson and Cowen are pretty much the only touchables on the club. Spezza is pretty close, too. I'm not sure if Alfredsson is untouchable. Specifically, if the team is out of playoff contention, I could see Murray asking Alfredsson to give him a list of teams to whom to trade him, and I think Alfredsson would accommodate the request.

I also think a lot of the youngsters could be had for the right price, whether it's Silfverberg, Lehner, Z-bad, or Stone.
I keep hearing this "Cowen is an untouchable" thing...

There are LOTS of players I'd move Cowen for. I like Cowen a lot, but if someone came along with a package that blew me away, I'd be the first one offering to pack Jared's bags.

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I think Karlsson and Cowen are pretty much the only touchables on the club. Spezza is pretty close, too. I'm not sure if Alfredsson is untouchable. Specifically, if the team is out of playoff contention, I could see Murray asking Alfredsson to give him a list of teams to whom to trade him, and I think Alfredsson would accommodate the request.

I also think a lot of the youngsters could be had for the right price, whether it's Silfverberg, Lehner, Z-bad, or Stone.
Murray will absolutely not ask Alfie for a list of teams. If we are out of contention, Alfie will only be moved if he goes to Murray and asks him to move him to a contender. I doubt HIGHLY that that happens, but if it does, it doesn't matter if Alfie only gives him a list of one team, Murray will accomodate him, just like he did for Mike Fisher. Alfie has earned the right to call his shot.

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I only have Spezza, Karlsson, and Turris. Spezza and Turris because we need to have to top 6 caliber centres and it appears we finally do. Karlsson because he is amazing and really helps create offence, and is still young. I considered putting Lehner on but I thought about the depth of goaltenders in the organization and while he is close to untouchable, the depth lessens our need of him a tiny bit.

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Karlsson, Spezza, that is all.
Agreed.

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I keep hearing this "Cowen is an untouchable" thing...

There are LOTS of players I'd move Cowen for. I like Cowen a lot, but if someone came along with a package that blew me away, I'd be the first one offering to pack Jared's bags.
If someone came with a package for Karlsson that blew me away I would pack his bags. The package would never happen though, because in order to blow me away it would have to be something like Crosby+Malkin+Letang.

No one is untouchable if a package blows you away, but in reality it wont ever happen.

Cowen falls into that category for me.

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I keep hearing this "Cowen is an untouchable" thing...

There are LOTS of players I'd move Cowen for. I like Cowen a lot, but if someone came along with a package that blew me away, I'd be the first one offering to pack Jared's bags.
The lack of organizational depth at defence makes Cowen near to untouchable. Huge upside still, but yeah, he could be had for a cost.

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Murray will absolutely not ask Alfie for a list of teams. If we are out of contention, Alfie will only be moved if he goes to Murray and asks him to move him to a contender. I doubt HIGHLY that that happens, but if it does, it doesn't matter if Alfie only gives him a list of one team, Murray will accomodate him, just like he did for Mike Fisher. Alfie has earned the right to call his shot.
I could see Murray asking Alfredsson if he wanted to be traded to a contender. He wouldn't force Alfredsson to agree to a trade, but approach him about being dealt should the team be out of contention.

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Spezza - Our first line centre and still our best player IMO. Won't be moved because it would take an overpayment, and also we'd have a gaping hole in his spot.

Karlsson - Speaks for itself.

Silfverberg - Honestly think he's the next big thing. It'll take some time for him to adjust but I think he'll be an incredible player.

Cowen - No way he's moving, he's the perfect future partner for Karlsson.

Turris - Could be moved for a 2C upgrade but I don't see it happening anytime soon.

Ceci - Let's wait and see what he's got before moving him anywhere.

Smith - Could be moved but we lack toughness and grit so I really don't want to move him.

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I only have Spezza, Karlsson and Lehner. 1 forward, Dman and Goalie to build the team around. I dont even say Alfredsson because if Sens suck this year than they can trade him to a contender at the deadline.

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I went with:

-Spezza, Karlsson, Silfverberg, Cowen, Lehner.

"Untouchable" meaning that I wouldn't really be looking to trade any of them unless some ridiculously over the top trade offer was made.

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Only Karlsson, his skillset and growth would be hardest to replace.

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The lack of organizational depth at defence makes Cowen near to untouchable. Huge upside still, but yeah, he could be had for a cost.



I could see Murray asking Alfredsson if he wanted to be traded to a contender. He wouldn't force Alfredsson to agree to a trade, but approach him about being dealt should the team be out of contention.
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Judging by the poll it is
Karlsson
Spezza
Lehner
Silfverberg
Cowen

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