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01-13-2013, 10:19 AM
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Barrie is a very good prospect, far from a throw in. I wouldn't do this trade as an Avs fan. I don't think it's a particularly good idea for Stars either, since they need that game breaking element down the middle. Benn is a much better fit there, looking at the other centers.

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I'm not saying O'Reilly is terrible by any means. I would love to have him on my team
but if I'm not mistaken, O'Reilly played most of the year with Landeskog, who scored 30 goals. Plus Benn has Elite potential, like in the mold of a Malkin. Size, speed, skill. Not saying Benn will score 100 points or be MVP (crossing fingers he does) but he has that potential.
And I am sure none of Benn's success has anything to do with playing with Eriksson while O'Reilly is all Landeskog (who didn't score 30 goals, but who has time to check up on **** like that).

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01-13-2013, 11:05 AM
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No from both teams. O'reilly is better defensively while Benn is better offensively.

I think Benn will be a two way point per game player, but I expect O'reilly will put up a season atleast close to seventy points some time in his career while playing selke caliber defense.

When you add in Barrie it's a definite no. I'm really high on Barrie the guy has a pro mentality and great work ethic. He could be a better version of Liles or a similar caliber player.
avs take the deal and run.

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01-13-2013, 11:14 AM
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Avs take it easily.
Benn is the superior talent.
It is not that far off though.

Probably needs a 1st added in to be fair.

But ROR , Barrie and a 1st is way too much to give up from the Avs POV. Especially if you factor in our other needs (TOP LHD) and the strength of the 2013 NHL draft.

So it is in general not a bad idea to swap unhappy RFAs but I would go knock in South Beach and ask what we have to add for Kulikov.

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01-13-2013, 11:14 AM
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This proposal absolutely sucks for Dallas.

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01-13-2013, 11:21 AM
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Everyone saying the Stars fans are crazy for declining or laughing these proposals off needs to understand that we know it takes a hell of a package for a team who has previously cited a player as the future face of their franchise.

So please keep that in mind that when we're laughing, it's because we (well, some of us...others are just overrating Benn....who absolutely does not have 100 pt potential) are taking that into account.

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01-13-2013, 11:53 AM
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A friendly "no thank you" from Dallas.

Benn's not going anywhere.

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01-13-2013, 12:23 PM
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Man there is every possible reaction in here. I think O'Reilly and Barrie is far from 'take it and run' territory, but we're certaining giving Dallas a good fleecing here too.

Doubt they move Benn anytime soon, not until their rebuild is over at least and they see how he does as the leader of the team.

Now Morrow on the other hand I might be interested in at the deadline depending where the Avs are and I believe he is certainly an option if Dallas is out of the hunt by then. What's his asking price these days for my own curiosity?

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01-13-2013, 12:36 PM
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Man there is every possible reaction in here. I think O'Reilly and Barrie is far from 'take it and run' territory, but we're certaining giving Dallas a good fleecing here too.

Doubt they move Benn anytime soon, not until their rebuild is over at least and they see how he does as the leader of the team.

Now Morrow on the other hand I might be interested in at the deadline depending where the Avs are and I believe he is certainly an option if Dallas is out of the hunt by then. What's his asking price these days for my own curiosity?
Good prospect and/or a high pick.

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Man there is every possible reaction in here. I think O'Reilly and Barrie is far from 'take it and run' territory, but we're certaining giving Dallas a good fleecing here too.

Doubt they move Benn anytime soon, not until their rebuild is over at least and they see how he does as the leader of the team.

Now Morrow on the other hand I might be interested in at the deadline depending where the Avs are and I believe he is certainly an option if Dallas is out of the hunt by then. What's his asking price these days for my own curiosity?
Depends on how "healed" Morrow is. All reports are he's healthier than he has been in years. If he returns to his old self and the Stars are out of it, the demand will be high. I think it's safe to say we would want an NHL-ready prospect and a pick (2nd or 3rd).

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Depends on how "healed" Morrow is. All reports are he's healthier than he has been in years. If he returns to his old self and the Stars are out of it, the demand will be high. I think it's safe to say we would want an NHL-ready prospect and a pick (2nd or 3rd).
For a UFA? No.. A 2nd round pick is about all a good UFA will fetch at the deadline. SOMETIMES IF a team is desperate enough you can get a first. You're not talking about Perry here.

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01-13-2013, 01:18 PM
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For a UFA? No.. A 2nd round pick is about all a good UFA will fetch at the deadline. SOMETIMES IF a team is desperate enough you can get a first. You're not talking about Perry here.
That might be all you think he could fetch, but I'm pretty sure that he didn't ask him what Morrow was worth, but rather the likely asking price.


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01-13-2013, 01:21 PM
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So what? Radar was the one whose playmaking made that line tick and it's not like Benn played with scraps. His most often linemates were Eriksson (one of the best wingers in the NHL who's a lot better than Landeskog at this point in time and one of the best playmaking wingers in the game), Ryder (a 35 goal scorer this past season) and Steve Ott. Radar played with an NHL rookie in Landeskog, guy with stone hands in Winnik, over the hill Hejduk and Steve Downie in the later parts of the season and despite the fact that Radar's line was used as a shutdown line for the first couple of months, depite the obvious talent gap between Radar's and Benn's linemates, despite Radar's line starting majority of it's shifts in their own zone he still managed to score only 8 points less than Benn. And to top it all Radar is vastly superior to Benn when it comes to defense, faceoffs and staying out of the penalty box.

It's OK for Stars fans to decline the offer, but the fact that they act insulted by it is an inslut to sanity.
Benn mostly played with Ott and i forget the other scrub.

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01-13-2013, 01:22 PM
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Probably too rich for the Avs unless we have a major need at the deadline then. Since we wouldn't be cup contenders, but looking for some veteran leadership on the 2nd/3rd line LW spot to help us win a little in the playoffs and stick around another couple years afterwards.

Unless something like Olver + 3rd would work, which is the lower end of what you brought up, we'd likely defer to other teams.

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01-13-2013, 01:25 PM
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For a UFA? No.. A 2nd round pick is about all a good UFA will fetch at the deadline. SOMETIMES IF a team is desperate enough you can get a first. You're not talking about Perry here.
What he's worth vs what he'll potentially fetch "If he returns to his old self and the Stars are out of it." JN is not going to undersell him at that point. Does not look good on the franchise if they do that to their captain.

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01-13-2013, 01:26 PM
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Benn mostly played with Ott and i forget the other scrub.
LOUI ERIKSSON MICHAEL RYDER JAMIE BENN 7.48%
JAMIE BENN STEVE OTT MICHAEL RYDER 4.31%
LOUI ERIKSSON STEVE OTT JAMIE BENN 3.55%
JAMIE BENN STEVE OTT ADAM BURISH 2.64%
JAMIE BENN STEVE OTT TOMAS VINCOUR 1.64%

I think calling Eriksson a scrub is a bit harsh. He's half-decent.

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Benn mostly played with Ott and i forget the other scrub.
No, he played mostly with some combination of Ott, Ryder, and/or Eriksson. He was double shifted at times though so that may be where that misconception comes from.

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LOUI ERIKSSON MICHAEL RYDER JAMIE BENN 7.48%
JAMIE BENN STEVE OTT MICHAEL RYDER 4.31%
LOUI ERIKSSON STEVE OTT JAMIE BENN 3.55%
JAMIE BENN STEVE OTT ADAM BURISH 2.64%
JAMIE BENN STEVE OTT TOMAS VINCOUR 1.64%

I think calling Eriksson a scrub is a bit harsh. He's half-decent.
When he said that I was thinking Burish.. I'd thought it seemed he'd played more than that with Burish and Ott. Seemed like he did a lot late in the season and his assist pace understandably dropped.

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LOUI ERIKSSON MICHAEL RYDER JAMIE BENN 7.48%
JAMIE BENN STEVE OTT MICHAEL RYDER 4.31%
LOUI ERIKSSON STEVE OTT JAMIE BENN 3.55%
JAMIE BENN STEVE OTT ADAM BURISH 2.64%
JAMIE BENN STEVE OTT TOMAS VINCOUR 1.64%

I think calling Eriksson a scrub is a bit harsh. He's half-decent.
looks like i was wrong, then.

but hey, Ott, Burish and Vincour aren't exactly studs.

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Benn mostly played with Ott and i forget the other scrub.
Eriksson?

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Eriksson?
yes, i already said i was wrong.

i know that's rare on here, but it's right above your post.

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yes, i already said i was wrong.

i know that's rare on here, but it's right above your post.
I know you already did that. As I was posting, two others posted. No intention to rub it in. Even I was under the impression he was with Ott and Burish not too long ago till it was confirmed he played the most with Eriksson and then Ott.

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Regardless, he got more ice time with scrubs than you'd expect from a player of his quality.

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01-13-2013, 01:53 PM
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I know you already did that. As I was posting, two others posted. No intention to rub it in. Even I was under the impression he was with Ott and Burish not too long ago till it was confirmed he played the most with Eriksson and then Ott.
it's all good.

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I get why this would never happen from either side, but in a vacuum the value's not far off. Radar's likely to stay a notch or two below on the offensive side, but he's also a notch or two above defensively and his insane work ethic is infectiousness. Add in a very good prospect on the brink of breaking into the NHL with the ability to become a high end #3 and PP specialist, and the values reasonable.

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Regardless, he got more ice time with scrubs than you'd expect from a player of his quality.
And Radar spent most of his time with Daniel Winnik, who's a great PK guy and all, but is also where offense goes to die. Neither guy had ideal linemates for the whole season, but if anything Radar had it worse, especially since Downie hurt his shoulder so soon after clicking with Radar and Lando.

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Benn mostly played with Ott and i forget the other scrub.
EXACTLY. Yes Benn did play with Eriksson but that was mostly at the beginning of the season. He played mostly with Ott and Burish.

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