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Morale of the story here folks, you don't know as much about the Rangers, Del Zotto, and Glen Sather as you think you do. Numerous Rangers fans have been saying MDZ is going to sign for about 2.5~3M. We've included facts that justified that number. But you refused to listen to people who actually understand how the team functions.
4M?
Won't sign him for anything less than 3M
Checkmate.
Omfg. I nominate for best post in HF boards history. Holy **** BBG. Game set and match.
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I feel like this is such an appropriate quote for these boards...
"Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level, and then beat you with experience"-Mark Twain
This is great news for Habs fans. It will provide a good baseline for Subban's contract. Same agent as well.
Derp!
lol
If Subban gets 5 or more years (can't see the habs giving him 4), he will have a higher average salary, probably in the 4 -4.5 mil per year range. But if they only give him 2 years, then I'd guess the average will be around 3 mil.
This is great news for Habs fans. It will provide a good baseline for Subban's contract. Same agent as well.
Derp!
lol
Not totally sure. I make the comparison with Fowler. It's not that Fowler had proven that he deserves $4m a year, but he's being paid based on the fact that he's the future of the Anaheim defense, much like Subban is for the Habs defense.
Del Zotto is behind Staal and McDonagh in that way. People forget that RFAs are paid just as much for their role on the team as they are for what their perceived open market value would be.
Not totally sure. I make the comparison with Fowler. It's not that Fowler had proven that he deserves $4m a year, but he's being paid based on the fact that he's the future of the Anaheim defense, much like Subban is for the Habs defense.
Del Zotto is behind Staal and McDonagh in that way. People forget that RFAs are paid just as much for their role on the team as they are for what their perceived open market value would be.
I think it has a lot more to do with the number of years. Fowler's contract was for 5 years, which bought 1 of his UFA years.
If he gets 5 mil per on a 2 year deal, your GM should be fired.
I don't think its unreasonable. Subban is a #1 dman right now and if you look at comparables, that is what the market dictates. Will Subban give the habs a discount? That is the question. Maybe 2 or 3 years at 4.75M/year. That would be fantastic.
I don't think its unreasonable. Subban is a #1 dman right now and if you look at comparables, that is what the market dictates. Will Subban give the habs a discount? That is the question. Maybe 2 or 3 years at 4.75M/year. That would be fantastic.
Haven't you guys learned anything from the MDZ thread? lol.
Less years = lower average for a non-arb eligible RFA. If you would pay him 5 mil per for 2 years, would you pay him 7 per for 5 or 6 years? Because that's basically what you're saying.
Haven't you guys learned anything from the MDZ thread? lol.
Less years = lower average for a non-arb eligible RFA. If you would pay him 5 mil per for 2 years, would you pay him 7 per for 5 or 6 years? Because that's basically what you're saying.
My point is 5M/year on a 3 year deal and 4.5 to 4.75M/year on a 2 year deal. I don't see Subban getting a longterm deal (like he wants). He will have to go the route of the 2 or 3 year deal like all the other Habs RFA's. This is likely what he will and should get. I would be shocked if it was less dollars and that is using MDZ as a comparable.
Morale of the story here folks, you don't know as much about the Rangers, Del Zotto, and Glen Sather as you think you do. Numerous Rangers fans have been saying MDZ is going to sign for about 2.5~3M. We've included facts that justified that number. But you refused to listen to people who actually understand how the team functions.
4M?
Won't sign him for anything less than 3M
Checkmate.
It's early, but I nominate this for post of the year.
And judging by the general rule that UFA years are worth 50% more than RFA years, he got paid about $3.5 per year for his RFA ones.
A similar contract for MDZ would've resulted in something like
2.55
2.55
3.00
3.00
4.15
AAV $3.05m
Fowler still got paid a lot more.
Fowler's contract doesn't begin until the 2013-2014 season. He's still on his ELC for this season. That alone adds to the value. Combine that with the 5 year length, and the value is a lot closer than you're allowing.
Fowler's contract doesn't begin until the 2013-2014 season. He's still on his ELC for this season. That alone adds to the value. Combine that with the 5 year length, and the value is a lot closer than you're allowing.
He won't make much with the softer cap. Probably 4m tops unless he elevates his game to the next level.
Just glad Sather doesn't give out undeserved contracts to his RFAs unlike some other teams.
It can sometimes work out to your benefit. If you anticipate the breakout season, you can end up underpaying for the length of the contract. Ryan Getzlaf is a good example of that. They anticipated a breakout season early in his contract, and he ended up being a bargain. In his case, he pretty much broke out his very first season under the new contract, but I'd call that fortuitous. Even if it had been in the second or third season, Anaheim would have come out ahead.
On the other hand, if the player underachieves and doesn't hit that next level, you're going to be paying more than you should. It isn't without risk. In Fowler's case, he could just as easily breakout this season, in the final year of his ELC, and then we're looking at a five year contract where he could be getting paid below market value.
