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01-13-2013, 01:56 PM
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Maybe this is too optimistic, but it seems to me most folks' main problem with Lefebvre is who he chooses to give ice time to, rather than his systems.
What system? The Dogs are last in PP and 24th in PK. Last in goals for, 4th last in goals against. The only thing he has going for him is that the team is young. Now the Dogs have a bunch of vets with DeSantis, Chaput, Tenute, Commodore, Stortini, Blunden, St.Denis, Dejardins, and a returning Palushaj from injury that all get significant icetime.

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I hope Moen-Prust-Bourque comes out of camp. I'd love to see them together versus Toronto.

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01-13-2013, 01:59 PM
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Probably. Eller as the LW on offensive minded lines has been tried a few times, it never clicked.
He's never looked good with Plekanec or Gomez, I'd like to see how he fares with Desharnais or Galchenyuk who are puck possession players just like him.

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01-13-2013, 02:00 PM
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I think this video was from yesterday practice but still fun to watch Price made a nice save on Gionta hahaha (miss an empty net lol) and Eller shows a sick shot on the posthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pP4zQjOt_8

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01-13-2013, 02:03 PM
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Eller has played often on the LW with very poor results. But I remember seeing him on the RW maybe one game or two and thought he looked better. Unfortunately, with Gionta and Cole in the top 6, if we see Eller on the wing it will be on the left so we're better off leaving him as a third line C with wingers that are more competent offensively than what he had to deal with last season (at least one of Bourque and Galchenyuk and maybe Armstrong on the right).

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01-13-2013, 02:09 PM
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So Sly doesnt have a system and Therrien is like him so he hasnt a system...

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Danny Dubé (http://www.985sports.ca/) regarding Therrien's challenge to implement a new system within such a short time frame:

- A less elaborated offensive system: very straight forward, very linear. Charging the net, rebounds, deviation... Watch out for more groin injuries; Dubé even mentioned 15% more.

- Defensive system: cut the ice in two, defensive zone cover, overload type: only 1 guy on the opposite side, the 4 other guys jamming the short (in French: premier poteau = 1/3 of the rink's width) side. He likes this strategy because it should help our not so good (I agree with his evaluation) D squad.

Just to be clear: that's what he saw on the ice in Brossard; this is not his suggestions.

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01-13-2013, 02:17 PM
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Danny Dubé (http://www.985sports.ca/) regarding Therrien's challenge to implement a new system within such a short time frame (based on his observations in Brossard):

- A less elaborated offensive system: very straight forward, very linear. Charging the net, rebounds, deviation... Watch out for more groin injuries; Dubé even mentioned 15% more.

- Defensive system: cut the ice in two, defensive zone cover, overload type: only 1 guy on the opposite side, the 4 other guys jamming the short (in French: premier poteau = 1/3 of the rink's width) side. He likes this strategy because it should help our not so good (I agree with his evaluation) D squad.
From where did he get "15%"?

I like the sound of Therrien's approach. We certainly have the size and speed to execute it well.

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01-13-2013, 02:24 PM
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From where did he get "15%"?

I like the sound of Therrien's approach. We certainly have the size and speed to execute it well.
The 15% also made me lol... very precise eh!

However, I would not be surprised if it is truly based on solid observations and/or scientific articles... I mean, we are chatting about Dubé here: the guy is a nerd... I mean pro!

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01-13-2013, 02:26 PM
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Therrien: "Vous allez voir différentes expériences cette semaine, que ce soit par exemple Lars Eller à l'aile ou Alex Galchenyuk au centre."


NO ELLER ON WING FFS!
Why is this a problem? Get guys used to playing more than one position. With Gomez gone he will definitely play center once the games start.

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01-13-2013, 02:28 PM
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Danny Dubé (http://www.985sports.ca/) regarding Therrien's challenge to implement a new system within such a short time frame:

- A less elaborated offensive system: very straight forward, very linear. Charging the net, rebounds, deviation... Watch out for more groin injuries; Dubé even mentioned 15% more.

- Defensive system: cut the ice in two, defensive zone cover, overload type: only 1 guy on the opposite side, the 4 other guys jamming the short (in French: premier poteau = 1/3 of the rink's width) side. He likes this strategy because it should help our not so good (I agree with his evaluation) D squad.

Just to be clear: that's what he saw on the ice in Brossard; this is not his suggestions.
So basically the same thing.

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01-13-2013, 02:32 PM
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Danny Dubé (http://www.985sports.ca/) regarding Therrien's challenge to implement a new system within such a short time frame:

- A less elaborated offensive system: very straight forward, very linear. Charging the net, rebounds, deviation... Watch out for more groin injuries; Dubé even mentioned 15% more.

- Defensive system: cut the ice in two, defensive zone cover, overload type: only 1 guy on the opposite side, the 4 other guys jamming the short (in French: premier poteau = 1/3 of the rink's width) side. He likes this strategy because it should help our not so good (I agree with his evaluation) D squad.

Just to be clear: that's what he saw on the ice in Brossard; this is not his suggestions.
I noticed a lot of puck support and use of the boards on breakouts. Defensively too, lots of support.

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So basically the same thing.
In such a limited time frame, we should not expect a revolution. I do however wish/expect for a more aggressive (vs Martin) forecheck.

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I noticed a lot of puck support and use of the boards on breakouts. Defensively too, lots of support.
Thanks for the update.

I hate our D squad because I think a lot of our Ds bring a redundant contribution: soft offensive defensemen. I really wish for a big, experienced and tough stay at home Dman! However the upside of Subban, Markov, Kaberle, Diaz, Weber, Saint-Denis… should be a better transition. One where we should be able to exit our zone in freakin' control!

That's why I hate this part: "... and use of the boards on breakouts..."

That's Gill all over again.


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In such a limited time frame, we should not expect a revolution. I do however wish/expect for a more aggressive (vs Martin) forecheck.
How bout more fights?

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Is numb-nuts employing his old dump & chase system back to Montreal? Because , that's what it sounds like from what is being described.

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In such a limited time frame, we should not expect a revolution. I do however wish/expect for a more aggressive (vs Martin) forecheck.
I expect a more aggressive forecheck. I just think that this team is not meant to be a dump & chase, point shot team.

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Danny Dubé (http://www.985sports.ca/) regarding Therrien's challenge to implement a new system within such a short time frame:

- A less elaborated offensive system: very straight forward, very linear. Charging the net, rebounds, deviation... Watch out for more groin injuries; Dubé even mentioned 15% more.

- Defensive system: cut the ice in two, defensive zone cover, overload type: only 1 guy on the opposite side, the 4 other guys jamming the short (in French: premier poteau = 1/3 of the rink's width) side. He likes this strategy because it should help our not so good (I agree with his evaluation) D squad.

Just to be clear: that's what he saw on the ice in Brossard; this is not his suggestions.

I don't get this. I think defense is our strength this year, especially if markov remains healthy and once subban is signed. Can anybody clarify this for me?!?!?! I just think it's above average d.

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01-13-2013, 02:38 PM
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The 15% also made me lol... very precise eh!

However, I would not be surprised if it is truly based on solid observations and/or scientific articles... I mean, we are chatting about Dubé here: the guy is a nerd... I mean pro!
He mentioned a few days ago there were 15% more injuries in the 66 game season in the NBA last year, probably why he said that.

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I don't get this. I think defense is our strength this year, especially if markov remains healthy and once subban is signed. Can anybody clarify this for me?!?!?! I just think it's above average d.
Our defense lacks presence around the net, it should keep scoring chances on the perimeter.

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He mentioned a few days ago there were 15% more injuries in the 66 game season in the NBA last year, probably why he said that.
Oh, I thought he was talking about Therrien's system specifically.

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What system? The Dogs are last in PP and 24th in PK. Last in goals for, 4th last in goals against. The only thing he has going for him is that the team is young. Now the Dogs have a bunch of vets with DeSantis, Chaput, Tenute, Commodore, Stortini, Blunden, St.Denis, Dejardins, and a returning Palushaj from injury that all get significant icetime.
The team is also the youngest - so, lest experienced - in the AHL. Could be a good reason for the lackluster performances so far + the team had serious injuries to its key players , Geoffrion, Leblanc. Nattinen, Palushaj. Patteryn was also playing good hockey.

Way to early to judge the coaching staff. With many other AHL teams losing key players to the NHL this week, we gonna see how the Xogs gonna perform in the zecond half of the season.

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I don't get this. I think defense is our strength this year, especially if markov remains healthy and once subban is signed. Can anybody clarify this for me?!?!?! I just think it's above average d.
why would defense be our strength? What top 10 or 15 dmen in the league do we have on our roster? our top 2 are georges and subban(who is not signed). Who knows what we get out of markov, then we have emelin, kaberle, diaz, weber, boulion and maybe Mike Comedore if there are injuries. That's not a very strong d on paper

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Our defense lacks presence around the net, it should keep scoring chances on the perimeter.
hmmm... I think will be a great puck possession team. With the ability to control the play. Emelin, gorges, subban, are fine in front of the net. We may need one more nice piece, but I don't think it's necessary not yet, anyways.

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I think this video was from yesterday practice but still fun to watch Price made a nice save on Gionta hahaha (miss an empty net lol) and Eller shows a sick shot on the posthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pP4zQjOt_8
Can't watch it on mobile..

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why would defense be our strength? What top 10 or 15 dmen in the league do we have on our roster? our top 2 are georges and subban(who is not signed). Who knows what we get out of markov, then we have emelin, kaberle, diaz, weber, boulion and maybe Mike Comedore if there are injuries. That's not a very strong d on paper
Call me crazy...I think Markov will be our best player this year and it won't even be close. Do people forget how talented and smart this guy is?? anytime he's on the nice he is creating chances while keeping the puck out of scoring areas.

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