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01-10-2013, 08:39 PM
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Does this logic apply to players like:

Malkin
Datsyuk
Sedin #1
Sedin #2
Miller
Marleau
Gaborik
Callahan
Pavelski
Letang
Brown

All who are FA's at the same time as Kessel.

We still have a year and a half to hammer out a deal with Kessel, no way we trade him for an underpayment just because of the years left on his contract. Just because some bone heads say the leafs should trade Kessel doesn't mean it's going to happen. Of course the media is in "the sky is falling" mode, Burkes firing came out of no where. I expect this all to pass once the season starts.
Of course it does. I'm not saying the Leafs should trade Kessel - I think they're going to give him a long-term extension. I'm saying that his contract situation is going to hurt his value around the league should the Leafs decide to test the market.

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He needs to go to a smaller American hockey market.

Columbus
Phoenix
Florida
Tampa Bay
Minnesota
Nashville
Carolina
San Jose
Anaheim
Dallas
Why? He just put up a PPG season in the largest hockey market in the world. Didn't I mention he had a third line centre on his line?

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01-10-2013, 08:43 PM
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Jordan Staal.

Kessel > Staal.
The Hurricanes were trading for more than one year of Staal. They obviously don't make that deal without knowing he's willing to stay long-term to play with his brother.

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01-10-2013, 08:45 PM
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The Hurricanes were trading for more than one year of Staal. They obviously don't make that deal without knowing he's willing to stay long-term to play with his brother.
Nashville was the "other team" when Boston was looking to unload Phil.

If he goes there, they'll lock him up. David Poile has a good relationship with Kessel (USA Hockey).

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01-10-2013, 08:47 PM
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Of course it does. I'm not saying the Leafs should trade Kessel - I think they're going to give him a long-term extension. I'm saying that his contract situation is going to hurt his value around the league should the Leafs decide to test the market.
I'd think the leafs wouldn't trade Kessel without an extension already in place, or maybe they would let him negotiate with the team before they trade him.

This isn't directed at you, but I've heard Kessel been called a rental lots of time. Since when are players a rental when they have a year and a half on their deal? That's TONS of time to work on an extension.

Either way it doesn't matter, Kessel won't be traded.

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01-10-2013, 08:49 PM
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Nashville was the "other team" when Boston was looking to unload Phil.

If he goes there, they'll lock him up. David Poile has a good relationship with Kessel (USA Hockey).
In a case like that (where an extension is a lock) teams will obviously be willing to pay more. I just don't think they'll get a satisfactory return barring that. I also don't think they're remotely interested in moving him, nor should they be.

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01-10-2013, 08:56 PM
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In a case like that (where an extension is a lock) teams will obviously be willing to pay more. I just don't think they'll get a satisfactory return barring that. I also don't think they're remotely interested in moving him, nor should they be.
Bingo. There's a lot of things wrong with the Leafs -- Kessel's just about the only thing that's not.

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01-10-2013, 09:02 PM
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Jordan Staal.

Kessel > Staal.
Not to Carolina

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01-10-2013, 10:24 PM
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He needs to go to a smaller American hockey market.

Columbus
Phoenix
Florida
Tampa Bay
Minnesota
Nashville
Carolina
San Jose
Anaheim
Dallas
I'm not a Leafs fan. I just watch the chaos from a distance. With that said, I think he would actually explode in a few of those markets. Not so sure about CB, PHX or NSH, but the others would be really interesting. One thing to consider is the physical nature of Western hockey though. He's have to get meaner to dominate constantly.

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01-10-2013, 11:27 PM
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I'm not a Leafs fan. I just watch the chaos from a distance. With that said, I think he would actually explode in a few of those markets. Not so sure about CB, PHX or NSH, but the others would be really interesting. One thing to consider is the physical nature of Western hockey though. He's have to get meaner to dominate constantly.
He pretty much exploded last year with Toronto. Had a great year. He's one of the best finishers in the game, and a great playmaker as well.

If he explodes more than he already has, Toronto should ask the world for him.

Anyway, I'll mention St. Louis as a pretty good fit. They might need a little more scoring options up front. They've got great players up front but none of their players have the scoring touch he does.

I'll consider a deal like this if Kessel shows no inclination toward re-signing with Toronto.



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if the leafs were deciding to rebuild

to NYI:
Kessel

to Tor:
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2013 1st round pick

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01-10-2013, 11:40 PM
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if the leafs were deciding to rebuild

to NYI:
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to Tor:
Ryan Strome
2013 1st round pick
Makes sense to ask that of a rebuilding team, right?

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01-13-2013, 05:01 PM
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if the leafs were deciding to rebuild

to NYI:
Kessel

to Tor:
Ryan Strome
2013 1st round pick
I'd do this purely based on the lack of faith I have in the Isles. That could be Phil Kessel for Nate Mackinnon and Ryan Strome quite easily

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01-13-2013, 05:04 PM
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I'd do this purely based on the lack of faith I have in the Isles. That could be Phil Kessel for Nate Mackinnon and Ryan Strome quite easily
We can wish lol.

Personally I wouldn't do that unless I knew for sure that first rounder was the first overall and even then I might not do it still

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01-13-2013, 05:06 PM
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Jaden Schwartz
Vladimir Sobotka
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IMO that's the best and most realistic proposal in this thread.

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01-13-2013, 05:09 PM
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We can wish lol.

Personally I wouldn't do that unless I knew for sure that first rounder was the first overall and even then I might not do it still
Seriously? Wow... I mean Kessel is good, but not a top prospect + 1st overall good.

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01-13-2013, 05:15 PM
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Seriously? Wow... I mean Kessel is good, but not a top prospect + 1st overall good.
In terms of trade value yes but I was talking more so for our team. We need kessel on this team orherwise we're back to square one. If a team wants kessel, I'd want an overpayment

But then again I'm not a gm lol

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01-13-2013, 05:18 PM
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In terms of trade value yes but I was talking more so for our team. We need kessel on this team orherwise we're back to square one. If a team wants kessel, I'd want an overpayment

But then again I'm not a gm lol
Okay I can see where you are coming from. But as far as trade value I personally see Strome + Mackinnon as an overpayment. Heck, if Kessel is anything less than a PPG this season, I'd say just Mackinnon is an overpayment.

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We can wish lol.

Personally I wouldn't do that unless I knew for sure that first rounder was the first overall and even then I might not do it still
haha, so you'd have Strome, 1st overall (MacKinnon) plus probably top 3 from your own 1st (Barkov or Jones) and you might not do it?

That's hilarious

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01-13-2013, 05:22 PM
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Okay I can see where you are coming from. But as far as trade value I personally see Strome + Mackinnon as an overpayment. Heck, if Kessel is anything less than a PPG this season, I'd say just Mackinnon is an overpayment.
See I agree with the first part but to me kessel straight up for first overall seems to little for me yet adding Strome makes It too much. And anything less also seems to little. So idk again I'm probably overvaluing kessel a bit here but I guess depending on the team a first plus top prospect is good enough

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haha, so you'd have Strome, 1st overall (MacKinnon) plus probably top 3 from your own 1st (Barkov or Jones) and you might not do it?

That's hilarious
Might wanna put what I said into context next time. Plus I forgot for some reason about our own first so yeah disregard my statement lol

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haha, so you'd have Strome, 1st overall (MacKinnon) plus probably top 3 from your own 1st (Barkov or Jones) and you might not do it?

That's hilarious
Am I the only one who has faith in the Isles this year? Lol.

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01-13-2013, 05:56 PM
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if the leafs were deciding to rebuild

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No way the Islanders do this, but I could imagine drafting both MacKinnon and Drouin if this trade went through.

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01-13-2013, 05:58 PM
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Am I the only one who has faith in the Isles this year? Lol.
No he was talking about how me and another poster were talking about if the isles had the first overall I wouldn't trade kessel for it plus Strome. However he took it out of context lol

So no you're not the only one lol

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01-13-2013, 05:58 PM
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I really don't see Kessel extending in Toronto unless they take advantage of the 8 year resigning contract and give him a ton of money.

What do they offer him that other teams can't easily top?

-No more Burke (assuming him and Kessel were BFFs)
-Played with mostly scrubs whole time here
-Team finishing low every year
-Media pressure/high pressure market (he seems more comfortable in low pressure settings)

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