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01-13-2013, 09:39 PM
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Goons are near extinction, thank goodness. Their presence and lack of skill dilutes the game.
And I am just as happy about that for the NHL. The problem is that a lot of those guys and many others are in the AHL.

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01-13-2013, 09:41 PM
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Not true. Those that can fight and play the game will always have a role.
That makes them hockey players, not goons.

Some of the goons recently listed here couldnt skate or stick handle their way out of a paper bag.

Fighting will always have a role in the league, goons will not.

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01-13-2013, 09:46 PM
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That makes them hockey players, not goons.

Some of the goons recently listed here couldnt skate or stick handle their way out of a paper bag.

Fighting will always have a role in the league, goons will not.
SO...what's a goon then? Aaron Asham scored over a point per game in the Dub:

199697 Red Deer Rebels WHL 67 45 51 96 149 16 12 14 26 36
199798 Red Deer Rebels WHL 67 43 49 92 25 5 0 2 2 8

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arron_Asham

There is a FINE line between goon and player

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01-13-2013, 09:54 PM
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SO...what's a goon then? Aaron Asham scored over a point per game in the Dub:

199697 Red Deer Rebels WHL 67 45 51 96 149 16 12 14 26 36
199798 Red Deer Rebels WHL 67 43 49 92 25 5 0 2 2 8

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arron_Asham

There is a FINE line between goon and player
I dont understand how or why you're confused by this. A goon is labeled a goon because his only job is to go out there and goon it up. Asham can actually play a bit - same goes for Rupp.

Derek Boogaard was a goon.

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01-13-2013, 09:59 PM
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I dont understand how or why you're confused by this. A goon is labeled a goon because his only job is to go out there and goon it up. Asham can actually play a bit - same goes for Rupp.

Derek Boogaard was a goon.
We do not disagree on the point, it's a distinction, but I wanted to point out that not all fighters are goons...and actually Asham can play A LOT...

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01-13-2013, 10:01 PM
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We do not disagree on the point, it's a distinction, but I wanted to point out that not all fighters are goons...and actually Asham can play A LOT...
Fighting will always be a part of the game.

Luckily, its shifting to guys like Asham, and away from guy that simply cant play the game.

One day we can hopefully rid the word goon from the hockey lexicon entirely.

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01-13-2013, 10:05 PM
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Fighting will always be a part of the game.

Luckily, its shifting to guys like Asham, and away from guy that simply cant play the game.

One day we can hopefully rid the word goon from the hockey lexicon entirely.
Exactly...see Dave Semenko. But some of these guys today can actually put the puck in the net

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01-13-2013, 10:54 PM
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Sather can always go out and get a goon - they're a dime a dozen.

Guys who can play and fight are worth the money.

Hasn't everyone here been complaining for years that we have a lack of scoring - if we could've potted a few more goals last year, we'd have been playing the Kings, not the Debbies.

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01-13-2013, 10:57 PM
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I get that. The Rangers as an organization are not built like the Wings. And even they decided to bring in Bertuzzi and Tootoo over the past few years. Before that they had McCarty and Shanahan.

I understand the point you are trying to make but will you sing the same tune if McIlrath gets hurt having to fight a goon who cheap shotted Christian Thomas? The Rangers decided not to carry a tough guy for a while. Then they got pushed around and brought up Orr. Since then they have pretty much consistently had a heavy dressed. Most teams do the same.

The Sabres have tried for years to just look the other way and kill the other team on the PP. They have been getting steamrolled by the Bruins for a,few years and decided to bring in Scott and Ott.
I'd rather McIlrath be fight trying to defend Thomas and us carry a player that can at least play a little. How often do players get hurt fighting anyway?

Also, it's not that fighting is bad, it's just that some people seem to think it's more important than scoring and defending.

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01-13-2013, 11:04 PM
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BTW, Sather is another guy that's fascinated by goons. What did we trade a 3rd for John Scott? Or was it a 5th? Either way may have been the worst trade of his tenure. Seriously, did he even play a game for us?

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01-13-2013, 11:12 PM
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BTW, Sather is another guy that's fascinated by goons. What did we trade a 3rd for John Scott? Or was it a 5th? Either way may have been the worst trade of his tenure. Seriously, did he even play a game for us?
5th

Pretty sure if it was a 3rd we'd have been bashing Sather for a long time..

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Last year's Rangers team was, collectively, the toughest Rangers team we have seen in a very long time, and this year should be close to the same. As much as I miss the goon and the 80's frontier justice beatdowns, it's loosing its place in the game.

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Fighting will always be a part of the game.

Luckily, its shifting to guys like Asham, and away from guy that simply cant play the game.

One day we can hopefully rid the word goon from the hockey lexicon entirely.
Agreed, Asham is not a goon in my opinion. He's Prust with a little better offensive abilities but can't kill penalties/play in a defensive role.

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01-14-2013, 12:01 AM
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The old school goon, ala Brashear, Boogard, etc. is done for. The replacement is not a goon at all; it's guys like Prust who can play hockey and have a specific role but are still willing to drop the gloves very often. I couldn't be happier for that evolution.

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01-14-2013, 01:06 AM
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Not true. Those that can fight and play the game will always have a role.
Like Mike Rupp? NOT Steve Macintyre.

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I'd rather McIlrath be fight trying to defend Thomas and us carry a player that can at least play a little. How often do players get hurt fighting anyway?

Also, it's not that fighting is bad, it's just that some people seem to think it's more important than scoring and defending.

Do you really want a D-man fighting especially if you are carrying 6 D-men?

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Hartford needs some bodies
2-3 new players I would think

Hrivik (when back) - Newbury - Kolarik
Bourque - Miller - Thomas
Haley - Jean - Segal
Grant - Tessier - Yogan
Wiebe

is not going to get the job done

The defense of:

Collins - McIlraith
Klasen - Parlett
Vernace - Logan
Niemi (injured)

is simply atrocious so far

A goon to take some pressure of of Big Mac is not a bad idea.
Trade Grant for an AHL goon
Pick up 2 new and steady AHL players off waivers/new AHL contracts
There will be options...

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01-14-2013, 08:35 AM
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Guys, I have zero problem with the Rangers "toughness", what I was saying is lacking is an experienced guy in the AHL. Haley and McIlrath are not going to cut it.

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Guys, I have zero problem with the Rangers "toughness", what I was saying is lacking is an experienced guy in the AHL. Haley and McIlrath are not going to cut it.
Correct. They need someone else down there. AHL is loaded with actual goons and I don't want McIlrath having to do all the heavy lifting.

Need to go get PL Letourneau-Leblond, DJ King or someone.

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Correct. They need someone else down there. AHL is loaded with actual goons and I don't want McIlrath having to do all the heavy lifting.

Need to go get PL Letourneau-Leblond, DJ King or someone.
Exactly.

I am surprised the Rangers have been so quiet considering they need real help at the AHL level. There are also players available for depth that haven't signed anywhere as of yet.

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Correct. They need someone else down there. AHL is loaded with actual goons and I don't want McIlrath having to do all the heavy lifting.

Need to go get PL Letourneau-Leblond, DJ King or someone.
Good call, forgot about DJ King. That's the type they need in CT.

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I'm all for having a heavy weight in the AHL. Those guys are in abundance in that league and McIlrath shouldn't have to be squaring off against them night after night. We know the kid can scrap. Let him work on the things that will actually make him valuable to us in the long run and let some goon with no future fight the others of the same ilk.

McIlrath should be one of those guys who is a damn good hockey player and just happens to be able to beat the hell out of just about anyone. That's the kind of fighter I can get behind.

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Good call, forgot about DJ King. That's the type they need in CT.
DJ King can play hockey so no I wouldn't be opposed to a player like him. My issue was with the names that were being dropped yesterday. Past goons and current goons who just flat out sucked at hockey. Don't waste the roster spots on them.

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DJ King can play hockey so no I wouldn't be opposed to a player like him. My issue was with the names that were being dropped yesterday. Past goons and current goons who just flat out sucked at hockey. Don't waste the roster spots on them.
MY thing is, what does it matter if (1) spot is being taken up in the AHL on the 4th line. The Rangers don't have that many promising prospects that they can't sign a vet to fill that role.

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MY thing is, what does it matter if (1) spot is being taken up in the AHL on the 4th line. The Rangers don't have that many promising prospects that they can't sign a vet to fill that role.
I understand that part of it and thinking. But I'd like to round the Whale out as much as possible. I'd like to see the team be as competitive as they can. I know it is not always feasible but I'd like to have guys like McIlrath, Bourque, Thomas, Hrivik, Skjei, Lindberg, Fast, Miller; etc, play on teams that at least have a winning mindset every night. I don't get that vibe from CT right now. I think their defense is very poor.

I guess my point is they should be focusing on their real weaknesses like defense. And I also think that they don't have really any promising prospects on that team. Bourque has battled injuries and never really took off. Thomas is slowly progressing. Hrivik might not be down there much longer. McIlrath can take care of himself. Who do we really need a fighter to protect right now?

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