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Patrick Kane v. Alex Kovalev

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01-07-2013, 02:11 PM
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if we want to project careers, i think kane could go one of two ways: as a shifty little guy injuries could start to be a factor, as they were for pat lafontaine. on the other hand, look at danny briere now. kane is a very intelligent player, as much as i hate him, and maybe the kind of player who can be very productive well into his 30s.

one advantage kane has over lafontaine and briere, who are two guys he's always kind of reminded me of (buffalo connection?), is that he's always played wing, except for that one failed experiment. lafontaine took a lot more abuse as a career center, and briere as he started relying more on smarts than his physical abilities moved from center to wing in his 30s. by the time he hits 30, kane might have a lot less wear on his body than those guys.

the other guy i kind of compare kane to is kessel. difference being that kessel seems to me like the kind of guy where once his wheels start to slip and he can't create room to get that shot off, he'll be done as an elite point producer. kane, i think, is on another level mentally and should be just fine.

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01-07-2013, 07:03 PM
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Hemsky hasn't come close to touching Kovalev's couple of biggest seasons and Kovalev had over 1000 career points, so no, let's not.
Kovalev's often unsatisfactory results and attrocious work ethic are often excused due to his alleged immense talent. Why not do the same for other immensly talented players that haven't lived up to their billing?

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01-07-2013, 11:21 PM
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I dunno guys...Gretzky, Lemieux, and Orr (found in part 2/2) are the only ones seen as more skillful by those who would be qualified to give a valued opinion. Lemieux wasn't on the video, we all know he knows first hand.Further, I'm going to say Kovy has more talent than they or anyone else ever did.

For those compare their rank on their teams' cup runs (in order):
Messier, Richter, Leetch, Kovalev, Zubov
Byfuglien, Toews, Keith, Kane, Niemi
Silly way to compare, but all things considered they really seem to fall even in importance in credit to OP, IMO.

Side note because I've seen this brought up a few times- If Toews doesn't win the Conn Smythe, there's no way in sam hell Byfuglien isn't next in line. Without him Kane and Toews are on their ass via Pronger.

fakekidpoker- what year did Kane get all star game MVP? Kovalev got it in 09, along with the first team selection and the captain's C.

Heh, the mother****** is so scary sick he's found his way on the scoresheet 1000+ times and IT'S SEEN AS A ******* DISAPPOINTMENT!

If he had a red walrus beard, would he then be worthy of a trip to the HHOF??? You know what I'm talking about...

Kovy for the win.

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01-08-2013, 08:03 PM
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I dunno guys...Gretzky, Lemieux, and Orr (found in part 2/2) are the only ones seen as more skillful by those who would be qualified to give a valued opinion. Lemieux wasn't on the video, we all know he knows first hand.Further, I'm going to say Kovy has more talent than they or anyone else ever did.

For those compare their rank on their teams' cup runs (in order):
Messier, Richter, Leetch, Kovalev, Zubov
Byfuglien, Toews, Keith, Kane, Niemi
Silly way to compare, but all things considered they really seem to fall even in importance in credit to OP, IMO.

Side note because I've seen this brought up a few times- If Toews doesn't win the Conn Smythe, there's no way in sam hell Byfuglien isn't next in line. Without him Kane and Toews are on their ass via Pronger.

fakekidpoker- what year did Kane get all star game MVP? Kovalev got it in 09, along with the first team selection and the captain's C.

Heh, the mother****** is so scary sick he's found his way on the scoresheet 1000+ times and IT'S SEEN AS A ******* DISAPPOINTMENT!

If he had a red walrus beard, would he then be worthy of a trip to the HHOF??? You know what I'm talking about...

Kovy for the win.
An all-star game MVP? You know your career lacked substance when this needs to be brought up as a point in your favour.

And actually Kane exploded after Byfuglien was removed from his line. Him, Sharp, and Versteeg in particular had a field day against Pronger, turning the tide for Chicago in the final.

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01-09-2013, 09:51 AM
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i'm sick and tired of kovalev's mythical skills, i bet if he only cared he could come up with a cure for cancer too, right? and walk a tightrope with a grizzly bear on his shoulders, right? if he only cared? because he was so talented

what tricks you do with the puck in practice in front of your teammates is irrelevant, it's how the skills translates to games that matter, practice is called practice for a reason, allen iverson knows that

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01-09-2013, 06:42 PM
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i'm sick and tired of kovalev's mythical skills, i bet if he only cared he could come up with a cure for cancer too, right? and walk a tightrope with a grizzly bear on his shoulders, right? if he only cared? because he was so talented

what tricks you do with the puck in practice in front of your teammates is irrelevant, it's how the skills translates to games that matter, practice is called practice for a reason, allen iverson knows that
Exactly. For some odd reason people think this guy would have been Guy Lafleur or Mike Bossy if only he tried harder. I've never really understood it.

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Went Kovalev, because I think he was more talented.

If I was starting a team from scratch, I'd probably take Kane because of his consistency compared to Kovalev

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i'm sick and tired of kovalev's mythical skills, i bet if he only cared he could come up with a cure for cancer too, right? and walk a tightrope with a grizzly bear on his shoulders, right? if he only cared? because he was so talented

what tricks you do with the puck in practice in front of your teammates is irrelevant, it's how the skills translates to games that matter, practice is called practice for a reason, allen iverson knows that
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Exactly. For some odd reason people think this guy would have been Guy Lafleur or Mike Bossy if only he tried harder. I've never really understood it.
agreed. but that said, i think kovalev could have probably been mike modano if he'd wanted to. other than the skating, he had all the physical gifts modano had and probably was the more natural goal scorer and playmaker. and i'm pretty sure he was drafted as a center too.

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01-10-2013, 06:00 AM
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Close but it is Kane for me. It is going to sound strange but he is a smaller, quicker player. I would almost say he is a more skilled player, but I will not. Good comparison in a lot of ways. I agree with some others here that Kane has already hit Kovalev's level and may surpass if he adds some things to his game and parties a little less

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01-10-2013, 07:17 AM
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I dunno guys...Gretzky, Lemieux, and Orr (found in part 2/2) are the only ones seen as more skillful by those who would be qualified to give a valued opinion. Lemieux wasn't on the video, we all know he knows first hand.Further, I'm going to say Kovy has more talent than they or anyone else ever did.

For those compare their rank on their teams' cup runs (in order):
Messier, Richter, Leetch, Kovalev, Zubov
Byfuglien, Toews, Keith, Kane, Niemi
Silly way to compare, but all things considered they really seem to fall even in importance in credit to OP, IMO.

Side note because I've seen this brought up a few times- If Toews doesn't win the Conn Smythe, there's no way in sam hell Byfuglien isn't next in line. Without him Kane and Toews are on their ass via Pronger.

fakekidpoker- what year did Kane get all star game MVP? Kovalev got it in 09, along with the first team selection and the captain's C.

Heh, the mother****** is so scary sick he's found his way on the scoresheet 1000+ times and IT'S SEEN AS A ******* DISAPPOINTMENT!

If he had a red walrus beard, would he then be worthy of a trip to the HHOF??? You know what I'm talking about...

Kovy for the win.
DId you just make an argument for Kovalev based on an All Star MVP?

An All Star game that took place in his teams city?

An All Star game that he shouldn't have even played in?

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01-10-2013, 12:52 PM
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I dunno guys...Gretzky, Lemieux, and Orr (found in part 2/2) are the only ones seen as more skillful by those who would be qualified to give a valued opinion. Lemieux wasn't on the video, we all know he knows first hand.Further, I'm going to say Kovy has more talent than they or anyone else ever did.

For those compare their rank on their teams' cup runs (in order):
Messier, Richter, Leetch, Kovalev, Zubov
Byfuglien, Toews, Keith, Kane, Niemi
Silly way to compare, but all things considered they really seem to fall even in importance in credit to OP, IMO.

Side note because I've seen this brought up a few times- If Toews doesn't win the Conn Smythe, there's no way in sam hell Byfuglien isn't next in line. Without him Kane and Toews are on their ass via Pronger.

fakekidpoker- what year did Kane get all star game MVP? Kovalev got it in 09, along with the first team selection and the captain's C.

Heh, the mother****** is so scary sick he's found his way on the scoresheet 1000+ times and IT'S SEEN AS A ******* DISAPPOINTMENT!

If he had a red walrus beard, would he then be worthy of a trip to the HHOF??? You know what I'm talking about...

Kovy for the win.
Kovalev more important than team leading scorer Sergei Zubov in 1994?

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01-11-2013, 07:36 AM
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looks like ak27 may lace em up for florida this year...

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I guess I'd say Kane. Kovalev drove you nuts to no end. We talk about Mogilny and Kovalev being similar but I'll tell you one thing, when Mogilny wanted to play he was more "on" than Kovalev. That being said the player with the all around best year was Kane in 2010. Kovalev was also not as valuable in his lone Cup win in 1994 as Kane was with his. It isn't unusual to talk about the fact that Kane should have won the Conn Smythe. You wouldn't say that about Kovalev at all. Leetch, Messier, Richter are all easily ahead of him. Kovalev is more in the Zubov, Graves, Larmer group.

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01-13-2013, 04:14 AM
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Kane should have split the CS with Keith.

I'm a Hawks fan and like Toews and all but that vote was really just wrong

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Kovalev's best year was with Montreal in 2008 because he was actually the real go-to-guy and he wasn't only good at offense , he was pretty good all-around that year.He also killed penalties.

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Kovalev's best year was with Montreal in 2008 because he was actually the real go-to-guy and he wasn't only good at offense , he was pretty good all-around that year.He also killed penalties.
Actually, no one who actually saw him play while in Pittsburgh would (or "should", imo) say he was a "better" player later on in Montreal, and you should know that Kovalev was a second line PKer in Pittsburgh in '99/00, and led all Pittsburgh forwards in SH TOI/game in '00/01.

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I don't know how Montreal fans can be such fans of Kovalev...

The guy was there for...four years and had one season where you could really call it great.

the rest were so-so to bad.

... He wasn't even part of their run to the conference final

Then he went straight to a divisional rival in Ottawa for the money and stunk it up there.

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agreed. but that said, i think kovalev could have probably been mike modano if he'd wanted to. other than the skating, he had all the physical gifts modano had and probably was the more natural goal scorer and playmaker. and i'm pretty sure he was drafted as a center too.
Why the hell would Kovalev have wanted to be Modano?

Kovalev was the better player from 00-01 on. Before that, neither player was a top forward in the league. It's like saying that Jaromir Jagr could have been Eric Lindros because Lindros was better/had better seasons for a few years at the start of their careers, largely something that was influenced by opportunity/linemates.

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Why the hell would Kovalev have wanted to be Modano?

Kovalev was the better player from 00-01 on. Before that, neither player was a top forward in the league. It's like saying that Jaromir Jagr could have been Eric Lindros because Lindros was better/had better seasons for a few years at the start of their careers, largely something that was influenced by opportunity/linemates.
Why wouldn't Kovalev want to be a no-brainer Hall of Famer?

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If we are talking about who has the better career I choose Kane, I think his career will be better than Kovalevs eventually.

If we talk about which player we want for out team? I'd take AK, the guy when he turned it on was on the same level of dominance as a Jagr or 2nd tier HoFs.

Kane hasn't really shown me that dominance yet. But he has plenty of time to change my mind.

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If we are talking about who has the better career I choose Kane, I think his career will be better than Kovalevs eventually.

If we talk about which player we want for out team? I'd take AK, the guy when he turned it on was on the same level of dominance as a Jagr or 2nd tier HoFs.

Kane hasn't really shown me that dominance yet. But he has plenty of time to change my mind.
Kovalev never had the dominance of Jagr.

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Kovalev never had the dominance of Jagr.
You talking stats wise or watching?

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Voted Kane

As for the debate of there youth/production

Kane's is even more impressive going up against shut down lines ,, While Kovalev got the benefit while early in his career going against lower quality opposition as Messier , Graves , etc were far more a threat to opponent

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Why the hell would Kovalev have wanted to be Modano?

Kovalev was the better player from 00-01 on. Before that, neither player was a top forward in the league. It's like saying that Jaromir Jagr could have been Eric Lindros because Lindros was better/had better seasons for a few years at the start of their careers, largely something that was influenced by opportunity/linemates.
Seriously? Modano was one of the top centermen of the late 90's/early 00's. Modano has nine of the top ten seasons between the two of them. There's no comparison at all. A Jarome Iginla vs Ryan Smyth comparison would draw more healthy debate than this. But why stop at Modano. Now we're comparing Kovalev to Jagr?!

Kovalev had a run of three high quality years in Pittsburgh, and one good year in Montreal. The guy hit 60 points like three other times in his entire career. Basically an average first line winger. Again, the mythical status he's achieved continues to astound me. He's Alex Tanguay with a few extra inconsequential years to pad career stats.

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Not to get ahead of anything here but it seems Kane is going to have another elite offensive year.

Think if Kane can put up 55-60 points this year it pretty much already wins the vote for Kane.

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