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What Do Rangers Do With Wade Redden?

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01-12-2013, 02:22 AM
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Wade Redden hasn't been ALLOWED to participate in Rangers training camp for three seasons.

As for an "undeserved" contract...

Redden had just finished 16th in Norris voting and 17th in AS voting when he signed the deal. Two years prior he was 5th in Norris voting and 6th in AS voting. The season before that? 10th/10th. Redden was a legitimate star defenseman. And that's crossing the 2005 lockout; he might well have earned an AS berth had the lockout not occurred.

And for "not competing at the NHL level" Redden scored ES points at a higher rate per 60 seconds in his last NHL season than teammate Michal Rosival, while also playing a more key role on the PK. Redden was the #5 ahead of Gilroy based on ice time, but was told not to come to camp the next season and every year following to this date.

How exactly did Redden play himself out? He was playing more at the end of the year than at the beginning; in 11 of his last 15 games he played above his season average. In 7 he was at least 60 seconds above, 6 for 90 seconds, and 3 for a full two minute gap.

It was also Torts' first season in New York. Perhaps there's more to it than "Redden wasn't good enough."

Especially when you look at things like the fact that the Rangers wouldn't have been able to add Richards without burying Redden. It's much more about Sather deciding that Redden isn't giving him back what he paid for (a Norris contender) and deciding that he needs to go out and use that money on someone else. If there were no cap, Redden would be playing in the NHL this season and the past couple. But with the new cap rules, he might play this year and will definitely play next year.
You clearly were not watching Redden in his last NHL season. I don't care what the numbers say. He was not a capable NHL defenseman anymore. He couldn't keep up with anyone. He routinely lost puck battles. He is completely washed up as an NHL player.

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01-12-2013, 02:38 AM
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Wade Redden hasn't been ALLOWED to participate in Rangers training camp for three seasons.

As for an "undeserved" contract...

Redden had just finished 16th in Norris voting and 17th in AS voting when he signed the deal. Two years prior he was 5th in Norris voting and 6th in AS voting. The season before that? 10th/10th. Redden was a legitimate star defenseman. And that's crossing the 2005 lockout; he might well have earned an AS berth had the lockout not occurred.

And for "not competing at the NHL level" Redden scored ES points at a higher rate per 60 seconds in his last NHL season than teammate Michal Rosival, while also playing a more key role on the PK. Redden was the #5 ahead of Gilroy based on ice time, but was told not to come to camp the next season and every year following to this date.

How exactly did Redden play himself out? He was playing more at the end of the year than at the beginning; in 11 of his last 15 games he played above his season average. In 7 he was at least 60 seconds above, 6 for 90 seconds, and 3 for a full two minute gap.

It was also Torts' first season in New York. Perhaps there's more to it than "Redden wasn't good enough."

Especially when you look at things like the fact that the Rangers wouldn't have been able to add Richards without burying Redden. It's much more about Sather deciding that Redden isn't giving him back what he paid for (a Norris contender) and deciding that he needs to go out and use that money on someone else. If there were no cap, Redden would be playing in the NHL this season and the past couple. But with the new cap rules, he might play this year and will definitely play next year.
It's simple enough. You need to forget all the awards bs and all star voting from previous years. Redden played two full seasons in Manhattan. He went from a bad first season to a horrible second one. Rangers hoped for one thing he would help their pwp. Stat wise on paper leading into that first year you would think that was a good bet. It didn't work out that way. He provided little offense and was getting caught up ice all the time. At a certain point he got gun shy and stopped taking chances and would only go so far as the opposition blue line more or less cutting the rink between a half and 2/3rds--he was still getting turned all the time. In his own end he wasn't much better and he's just about as non-physical as Gilroy. The fact he sucks and in the AHL is a pacer. He won't be moved outside of his comfort zone. Some Rangers posters think he's helped out some of our young AHL d-men getting acclimated. I'm not so sure but if so it's good that he's been useful for something.

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01-12-2013, 05:19 AM
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Damn, I forgot about Redden and his atrocious contract.


How did he fall so far? I remember when he played on the Sens.
I think his actions lately is definite proof of what the problem is here; he is a business man who only is in it for the money and don't care one bit about anyone else.

Easily the biggest head case in the game ever.

The guy signed a huge contract and absolutely failed in the worst possible way to perform. Like 2 goals in 80 games or something like that. Then he goes above and beyond to screw and suck the last drop of blod out of the franchise he screwed.

Now he will again refrain from taking any action to save his career and honor just to make the last possible dime.

Imagine the headlines if this crock was a Russian...

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01-12-2013, 06:34 AM
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Redden's salary is $5M for this season. He already received $1M of the $5M as a signing bonus. Pro-rate $4M with the 99 day season. Its slightly over $2M. The amnesty buyout is $3,333,333. Redden is not in the Rangers plans. Teams are allowed to retain up to 50%. Just for 2013. The Rangers pay $1M and the other team pays $1M of the salary and they split the cap hit at $3.25M. In 2013-14,the acquiring team is on the hook for the full $5M salary and $6.5M cap hit. Take him for free. Future considerations. Not sure if that's allowed in the new CBA. The October proposal describes how retaining works but didn't offer any intimate details and nothing was released this week for more clarifcation. If not then Redden will collect his remaining $2M at home in BC waiting the amnesty buyout or he can terminate.

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Rangers permit Redden's agent to seek trade

http://tracking.si.com/2013/01/12/ne.../?sct=uk_t2_a6

Where does he end up? Do NYRs eat some of his salary to facilitate a trade (can they do that? just wondering.)?

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Where does he end up? Do NYRs eat some of his salary to facilitate a trade (can they do that? just wondering.)?
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Like anyone would take him. He's horrible.

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Like anyone would take him. He's horrible.
Well...they have to rid themselves of his salary or use option 3 as per McKenzie on TSN, bite the bullet for this season and buy him out in the off-season.

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Well...they have to rid themselves of his salary or use option 3 as per McKenzie on TSN, bite the bullet for this season and buy him out in the off-season.
Option 3 it is

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amnesty or leave him in the AHL?

what a waste of money and talent... what happened ot him?

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I think his actions lately is definite proof of what the problem is here; he is a business man who only is in it for the money and don't care one bit about anyone else.

Easily the biggest head case in the game ever.

The guy signed a huge contract and absolutely failed in the worst possible way to perform. Like 2 goals in 80 games or something like that. Then he goes above and beyond to screw and suck the last drop of blod out of the franchise he screwed.

Now he will again refrain from taking any action to save his career and honor just to make the last possible dime.

Imagine the headlines if this crock was a Russian...
This. He got the big guaranteed contract then de facto retired. Gutless. Spineless. No character whatsoever. It's so bad, the Rangers are afraid to let him hit the ice since they are worried he'll fake an injury to try to get paid for next year.

Don Cherry hasn't had a lot to say on Mr. Redden, I presume.


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Is the NHL going to allow a regular buy-out period prior to the start of the 2013 season?

If so, this could be the most sensible route if the Rangers need cap space. 2 years @ $3.17 million, then 2 years @ $1.67 million.

I just don't see teams lining up for Wade Redden even at half of his contract.
Half of his contract money with his actual cap hit can definitely interest some teams.

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Half of his contract money with his actual cap hit can definitely interest some teams.
The St. Louis Blues. Really.

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Half of his contract money with his actual cap hit can definitely interest some teams.
If true, would be most ideal if we can find a taker...

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This. He got the big guaranteed contract then de facto retired. Gutless. Spineless. No character whatsoever. It's so bad, the Rangers are afraid to let him hit the ice since they are worried he'll fake an injury to try to get paid for next year.

Don Cherry hasn't had a lot to say on Mr. Redden, I presume.
I would laugh if he twists his knee while mowing the lawn at home. Nothing horrible, just bad enough to put him on the injured reserve list during the buyout window next summer.

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I would laugh if he twists his knee while mowing the lawn at home. Nothing horrible, just bad enough to put him on the injured reserve list during the buyout window next summer.
If its not a hockey related injury then it doesn't matter.

Now, if he re-aggravated a prior hockey related injury while mowing the lawn...............

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Redden salaries in the last 2 seasons of his SPC are $5M each. Redden is owed $2.6M this season with the shortened season. His amnesty buyout is $3,333,333. He made $13M to play in the AHL. Redden can spend the rest of this winter at his home in British Columbia collecting his salary. The Rangers take a $5.6M cap hit which they can absorb with the $70.2M cap. Come June. Amnesty buyout. No risk of injury sitting at home playing with his kids.
I'm not sure if this was answered earlier in the thread, as I only read the first page, but how exactly did Redden's cap hit change from $6.5M to $5.6M? I noticed this when checking capgeek in the buried salary section. Also, I noticed Colton Orr's cap hit is only $100K, when it was previously $1M IIRC, due to him signing a four-year, $4M contract in Toronto. How were these cap hits lowered?

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If its not a hockey related injury then it doesn't matter.

Now, if he re-aggravated a prior hockey related injury while mowing the lawn...............
The future home of Redden the next couple of months...


Perhaps Drury could make himself uself for the millions he still makes from the organization and be responsible for using the rope to drag Wade around? It would be the most expensive cart ever created.

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I'm not sure if this was answered earlier in the thread, as I only read the first page, but how exactly did Redden's cap hit change from $6.5M to $5.6M? I noticed this when checking capgeek in the buried salary section. Also, I noticed Colton Orr's cap hit is only $100K, when it was previously $1M IIRC, due to him signing a four-year, $4M contract in Toronto. How were these cap hits lowered?
Only part of his cap hit counts against the cap. Anything in excess of the NHL minimum salary (currently 525k) + 375k. So 900k is saved by sending his contract to the minors, but the other 5.6 mil counts against the cap no matter where he is playing (or not playing in this case).

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I'm not sure if this was answered earlier in the thread, as I only read the first page, but how exactly did Redden's cap hit change from $6.5M to $5.6M? I noticed this when checking capgeek in the buried salary section. Also, I noticed Colton Orr's cap hit is only $100K, when it was previously $1M IIRC, due to him signing a four-year, $4M contract in Toronto. How were these cap hits lowered?
The first $900k of salary is exempt from counting against the cap if the player is in the AHL. $6.5 mill - $900k = $5.6 mill

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Redden received $1M of his $5M salary as a signing bonus. Redden is owed $2M and change this season.

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League
Money paid to Players on NHL SPCs (one-ways and two-ways) in another professional league will
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Just add the minimum salary with $375,000. Its $925,000 next season.

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Where does he end up? Do NYRs eat some of his salary to facilitate a trade (can they do that? just wondering.)?
The new CBA/MOU prohibits a team from retaining money in one year and retaining no money the following season. It has to be the same % in each year of the contract. It can't be altered from year to year. The Rangers are not retaining money in a Redden trade. Reds will spend the rest of the winter at his home collecting $2M plus after he already collected $1M in the summer. He will collect another $3,333,333 in the buyout paid out over 2 years.

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Gotta feel bad for WR. I know he is getting paid big bucks and all. The Rangers shure screwed him around. I hope he gets back into the NHL at some point.
How exactly did the Rangers screw him around? Had Redden continued to be HALF the player he was with the Sens this would be a non issue. The fact is he has fallen much farther off then that. He looked as if he was constantly skating in quick sand, his hands turned to stone and it was as if he was TRYING to pass the puck to the other team some times.

It is not the Rangers fault that Redden just lost it. It is his fault.

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Also, what I find to be ironic is so many people asking "what happened to him" as if they actually don't know. These are the same people who criticized the signing saying he was over paid and the same people who laughed when we put him in the minors because it was apparent just how bad Redden had become.

Now all of the sudden they forget how bad he was and are sympathetic to him?

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The St. Louis Blues. Really.
I assume this is sarcasm? In what world would Redden be at the level to play the type of game required in STL?

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