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01-14-2013, 10:09 AM
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Not really. Duchene is a 21 year old who was a PPG player at the all star game two years ago, soon after that injuries and trades caused the avs to fall apart and then last year Duchene got hurt. With dutchy healthy again and the avs having real depth for once, there's no reason not to expect him to get back to where he already was, which considering his age and position makes him just as valuable as Kessel, and more valuable to the avs.
Well put, i definetly see your point. It will be interesting to see how he bounces back from injury, as i am a fan of his. I wouldnt mind seeing him at the next team canada training camp. I still feel that Kessel is a more unique player in the sense he has the pure goal scorer mentality, and players like that are hard to come by at his skill level. but thats most likely my Toronto bias talking.

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01-14-2013, 10:25 AM
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Yeah Kessel's an awesome goalscoring winger, and him and Staz would be ridiculously good together, like challenging 50 goals for Kessel and 90 points for Staz, but with the avs finally having the winger depth to give each of their 3 centers a scoring line, it's just too tempting to give up at this point, especially with how many young and developing players are involved. Plus although Kessel's a great goal scorer, Duchene playing center, having a solid two way game when he's not trying to be Foppa, and being a dangerous goal scorer himself, makes me prefer the youngin who's loved the Avs since he was a little kid and still has the potential to reach a level of play that Kessel just can't.

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01-14-2013, 10:32 AM
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Yeah Kessel's an awesome goalscoring winger, and him and Staz would be ridiculously good together, like challenging 50 goals for Kessel and 90 points for Staz, but with the avs finally having the winger depth to give each of their 3 centers a scoring line, it's just too tempting to give up at this point, especially with how many young and developing players are involved. Plus although Kessel's a great goal scorer, Duchene playing center, having a solid two way game when he's not trying to be Foppa, and being a dangerous goal scorer himself, makes me prefer the youngin who's loved the Avs since he was a little kid and still has the potential to reach a level of play that Kessel just can't.
Cant argue that. Duchene is a special player that has a more complete skill set than kessel. And it would be nice to see him reach his full potential, a good ontario boy that plays great hockey, which is why i would love to see him in the Blue and White. Wouldnt trade kessel for him though, the whole point of aquiring him would be to have duchene play with kessel.

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01-14-2013, 10:33 AM
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And even more so then that, with the ongoing situation with Oreilly, Duchene has become our most valuable Center by a lot. He grew up a life long fan of the Avs, wants to play for Colorado and wants to win with Colorado. Why would we trade a guy like that with the talent he has for anything.

In a vacuum Kessel and Duchene might be close on value. But when you add the situation Duchene is in compared to Kessel, his value is a lot more then Kessel, and anyone else on the Leafs roster.

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And even more so then that, with the ongoing situation with Oreilly, Duchene has become our most valuable Center by a lot. He grew up a life long fan of the Avs, wants to play for Colorado and wants to win with Colorado. Why would we trade a guy like that with the talent he has for anything.

In a vacuum Kessel and Duchene might be close on value. But when you add the situation Duchene is in compared to Kessel, his value is a lot more then Kessel, and anyone else on the Leafs roster.
Agreed. I think leafs should work a deal around Statsny rather that duchene as i feel he is more of a realistic player to pry out of COL. and if its D COL are looking for. Franson/Gunnarson could be center points to build around.

Franson + Conditional 1st (2014) may be a starting point, given the contract Statsny is on.

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01-14-2013, 10:55 AM
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Agreed. I think leafs should work a deal around Statsny rather that duchene as i feel he is more of a realistic player to pry out of COL. and if its D COL are looking for. Franson/Gunnarson could be center points to build around.

Franson + Conditional 1st (2014) may be a starting point, given the contract Statsny is on.
The Avs are happy to keep Stastny. He's probably 1-2 million dollars over paid but that points moot when you consider how low our payroll is. I think this year Stastny rebounds given how he is playing with competent wingers for once who really seem to fit his playing style.


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01-14-2013, 10:59 AM
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Agreed. I think leafs should work a deal around Statsny rather that duchene as i feel he is more of a realistic player to pry out of COL. and if its D COL are looking for. Franson/Gunnarson could be center points to build around.

Franson + Conditional 1st (2014) may be a starting point, given the contract Statsny is on.
Avs requests for Staz won't be that much less. He's still our best center, we still need him to help the younger guys develop, and we still want to be able to roll 3 strong lines now that we have the wingers for it. So if someone wants staz we'd still be looking for a LHD to partner with EJ on our first pairing. Franson and Gunnarson just don't fit the profile.

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01-14-2013, 11:10 AM
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Cant argue that. Duchene is a special player that has a more complete skill set than kessel. And it would be nice to see him reach his full potential, a good ontario boy that plays great hockey, which is why i would love to see him in the Blue and White. Wouldnt trade kessel for him though, the whole point of aquiring him would be to have duchene play with kessel.
Duchene and Kessel would be terrible together, just fyi.

I wouldn't move Duchene for a 1st + Gardiner, can't see any Leafs fan wanting to move him for a 1st + Gardiner if they were the ones with Duchene either. Ballpark or not, it doesn't matter how close in value a proposal is if a team still isn't interested in doing it.

The Leafs simply don't have the assets we're in need of right now. Rielly in two years might be close, but he's still a prospect and by then you guys will be saying how he's worth more than gold to your team (rightly so if he pans out).

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01-14-2013, 11:39 AM
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There is no way the Avs Trade Duchesne, unless a way better d-man than Gardiner is com ing back.

IMO a Gardiner for Stastny deal make a lot of sense for both teams.

The avs save a ton of money and get the d-man they need. The leafs get another project to build their team around.( go look at all their deals they never get a slam dunk player!)

In all seriousness this deal is fair valuewise given stastnys performance of late and his cost.
I like the idea of Gardiner for Stastny. Stastny may need a change of scenery and a fresh start, and Toronto could handle his larger cap hit.

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01-14-2013, 01:16 PM
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Any Avs fans, just for fun -- What, if anything, on the CBJ blueline, would be value for each of the three centers? Not suggesting either team would actually make a trade even if it's fair value, just spitballing.

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Any Avs fans, just for fun -- What, if anything, on the CBJ blueline, would be value for each of the three centers? Not suggesting either team would actually make a trade even if it's fair value, just spitballing.
Tyutin+ for Stastny was talked about a little about a week ago. Can't remember if either side liked the value or not.

I don't know a whole lot about Tyutin and haven't watched him play much so I cant really comment either.

Other then that I don't think theres a trade to be made between the two teams.

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Any Avs fans, just for fun -- What, if anything, on the CBJ blueline, would be value for each of the three centers? Not suggesting either team would actually make a trade even if it's fair value, just spitballing.
It'd have to begin with JJ and depending on the center different value added. Imo at least.

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Only Leafs fan do this? You're hilarious.


Leafs say no
Coyotes say no to OEL
Washington doesnt need Duchene
NYR doesnt need Duchene
Montreal doesnt need Duchene
Edmonton needs D more than they need Duchene


That leaves you Anaheim, Carolina and Chicago.

Good luck.
Leafs definitely say yes.

We've got Rielly, remember?

One of them is gonna leave down the road anyways.

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I would love for a trade to happen between Col and Tor, but Duchene is nearly untouchable.

He's going to be a stud in the league and loves playing for Colorado, no way will he ever leave the team IMO.

O'Reilly or Statsny are the two best option, but have no idea what good value would be for them.

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I like the idea of Gardiner for Stastny. Stastny may need a change of scenery and a fresh start, and Toronto could handle his larger cap hit.
Leafs also wouldn't do that deal after the last 2 years Stastny's had.

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Leafs say no
Coyotes say no to OEL
Washington doesnt need Duchene
NYR doesnt need Duchene
Montreal doesnt need Duchene
Edmonton needs D more than they need Duchene


That leaves you Anaheim, Carolina and Chicago.

Good luck.
I would take Faulk and Fowler over Gardiner, and not even hesitate.

Really, I'm not convinced Gardiner is worth Duchene at this point.

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So Schultz who hasn't played 1 NHL game is better
No, you're right. Schultz is in an ideal situation offensively, and he should put up good numbers, but Gardiner has certainly shown something of worth at the NHL level(and Gardiner certainly won't benefit as much from his teammates as Schultz will).

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Leafs also wouldn't do that deal after the last 2 years Stastny's had.
I agree with this. I also wouldn't see nonis pulling the trigger until after 2013 UFA is done.

Not saying we are getting Getzlaf, but if he signs somewhere else than Colorado trading partner would make more sense.

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Duchene for Hedman

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At least 1 or 2 D men come into the league each year like that and then fall back to earth
And all the more reason to emphasize that possibility because Gardiner is a Leaf.

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Buffalo has surplus Defenceman and could move one fo them to Colorado.

BUF: Satasny/Duchene +

COL: Sekera/Leopold, Luke Adam, +

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Buffalo has surplus Defenceman and could move one fo them to Colorado.

BUF: Satasny/Duchene +

COL: Sekera/Leopold, Luke Adam, +
Tyler Myers better be in the deal if you want Duchene.

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Duchene for Hedman

Duchene for Tyler Myers + Luke Adam

Duchene for Morgan Rielly + 4th 2013

Duchene for Jake Gardiner + Tyler Bozak + 3rd 2013

Duchene for Jack Johnson + David Savard + 4th 2013

Duchene for Griffin Reinhart + 2nd 2013

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Duchene for Hedman

Duchene for Tyler Myers + Luke Adam

Duchene for Morgan Rielly + 4th 2013

Duchene for Jake Gardiner + Tyler Bozak + 3rd 2013

Duchene for Jack Johnson + David Savard + 4th 2013

Duchene for Griffin Reinhart + 2nd 2013
Those offers are not close to equal.
The only one I would have to think long and hard about is Duchene for Tyler Myers. The Leafs offers are terrible.
Same for Reinhart. Avs would not think a split second about those deals.
Duchene for JJ is a no go as well.
Hedman is good but I would not give up Duchene for him.

Myers + Adam is close. If we get the ROR situation solved, it is something to think about.

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Duchene for Hedman

Duchene for Tyler Myers + Luke Adam

Duchene for Morgan Rielly + 4th 2013

Duchene for Jake Gardiner + Tyler Bozak + 3rd 2013

Duchene for Jack Johnson + David Savard + 4th 2013

Duchene for Griffin Reinhart + 2nd 2013
These are so bad haha. You are saying Tyler Myers and Luke Adam have equal value of the Toronto deal? lol

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