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01-09-2013, 03:27 PM
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He's not.

Reports are saying that the buyouts are going to follow two seasons. Both after the end of the 2013 and the 2013-14 season. A team can use one per summer, or both at once in either year.

We're also getting dinged by Bettman on the Luongo rule for Vinny. Yay.

The Luongo rule, as I've come to understand it, is that contracts longer than 6-years, no grandfather, will count on a team's cap, whether the player is active or not.

If the guy is traded, then the cap hit is taken off the team that traded him, but should he retire before the contract's expiration, the cap hit continues and is split between the team he retires on and the team he originally signed the deal with. The remaining money is averaged out over the remaining years that would be left in the deal.

and that kids, is how we got unofficial 6-year term limits.

PLB is better at explaining this than me.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/i...re-cba-details

The way around all this, if the last CBA is any reference, is to find yourself in a situation where you can terminate the contract.


The owners have ratified the CBA.
He certainly is.

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01-09-2013, 03:55 PM
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He certainly is.
Long term IR? I seem to vaguely remember talking last season about how Ohlund could still be put on LTIR if they needed to open up that cap space.

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01-09-2013, 08:04 PM
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Long term IR? I seem to vaguely remember talking last season about how Ohlund could still be put on LTIR if they needed to open up that cap space.
I'm pretty damn sure hes on LTIR. I've been wrong before, but i'm almost certain he is.

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Here is full audio of Lightning GM Steve Yzerman meeting the media after the BOG meeting in NYC this afternoon:


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01-10-2013, 07:05 AM
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I think the players delaying ratification is a last flourish of being a dick to the league, for old times sake. It's the 30 minute water break on a grand scale.

Even when negotiations are finished, don't forget.

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01-10-2013, 07:38 AM
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Here is full audio of Lightning GM Steve Yzerman meeting the media after the BOG meeting in NYC this afternoon:

"Thanks for your concern, I know you're all worried about the Lightning"

SFY with a little bit of snark, I like it.

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01-10-2013, 08:25 AM
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"Thanks for your concern, I know you're all worried about the Lightning"

SFY with a little bit of snark, I like it.
I liked that audio. Why does everyone take a picture at the same time?

Interesting question about what the team will do to make things up. I feel like the Lightning should do something for the fans, but I don't know what.

and not just the STMers either, but everyone who goes to the games. Maybe even something online for people who are outside the team's geography.

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01-11-2013, 09:12 AM
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Lightning "Glad to be back" TV spot: http://video.lightning.nhl.com/video...=791&id=192258

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01-11-2013, 09:35 AM
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Turns out Fehr was able to get something in the CBA.

It's called the 'stop hitting yourself' clause.

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01-11-2013, 09:45 AM
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Bob McKenzie on longterm deals in a situation like Wade Redden's and their consequences under the new CBA: http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/bob_mckenzie/?id=413185

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01-11-2013, 09:46 AM
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Bob McKenzie on longterm deals in a situation like Wade Redden's and their consequences under the new CBA: http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/bob_mckenzie/?id=413185
I read earlier today that option 3 is what they're going with in Redden's specific situation.


As much as I shouldn't, I can't help but get excited for the coming trades. Life altering events for players, and an unfortunate part of the business, but still kind of looking forward to it.


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They sure take their time signing the MOU!

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01-12-2013, 11:08 PM
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So the league is open for business but my phone remains silent. Media, you sure they got it done?

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Jeff Vinik on the new deal

http://www.tampabay.com/sports/hocke...future/1270385

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Didn't they say "A lot of activity on the trade market is expected as soon as the MOU is signed" in the media? Bleh.

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01-13-2013, 03:59 AM
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I don't want to be 'that guy', but the NHL's slogan for this season is exactly the problem.

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How many players are in the NHLPA? Or rather: Is every member obligated to vote? According to Lavoie 98% of the players voted yes. On the main board there is a thread on "12 angry men" implying 12 players voted no.

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How many players are in the NHLPA? Or rather: Is every member obligated to vote? According to Lavoie 98% of the players voted yes. On the main board there is a thread on "12 angry men" implying 12 players voted no.
667 members voted (89% of the totality of the PA) 12 did in fact vote no.

I took away from this article that Erik Cole was one of them.

Report: Cole unhappy with CBA, might retire after season.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=413349

I wouldn't take the 12 guys who said 'no' to be the Varlamovs and Hamrliks of the world. They'd be the ones forming their own union within the union. Super union. Cole is one of those.

The vote total may actually hurt the PA in the next negotiation. If 98% of the voters were satisfied with the extent of this CBA proposal, then there's a logic that the majority would have have accepted a worse offer, and they only need the majority to ratify.

That's possibly where the league was getting the idea that Fehr was out of touch with the players. He might have had enough to ratify, and already negotiated a deal the majority of players would have accepted, but stuck to his guns.

I don't agree with this logic, but I can see where the league could use it. It comes down to a question, what percentage is enough? I don't believe a simple tyranny of the majority is enough, but I also don't have a hard line set where '75% like it, screw the other 25%.'


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As part of the new CBA, each team is required to play between 6 and 8 pre-season games during a 20-day training camp.

Also, the NHL will take a full break on Dec. 24/25/26 in the future. Teams won't even be allowed to practice or travel on those dates.

Regular season intermissions have been extended to 18 minutes in an effort to have more time to improve ice conditions.

Interesting: Each NHL club will be required (upon league request) to participate in at least one international trip during term of CBA.
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Another example of the NHL playing god.

They also want intermission games done in 4 minutes instead of 5 for ice quality reasons.

PD had a good article on the most interesting changes.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-pu...3Rpb25z;_ylv=3

The things I like from the original document it links to is the at least 20-day training camps and 6-8 preseason games. Yay. More nerd hockey.

I don't like the lack of time they spend doing **** during it though. Only 1:45 on ice and another 1:15 off it for the first 4 days of activity?

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I read earlier today that option 3 is what they're going with in Redden's specific situation.
Montreal will do the same with Gomez:

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Looks like Scott Gomez is getting Wade Redden Treatment in MTL. Stay home, get paid, count against cap and compliance buyout in summer.
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Well Scott Gomez will stay home and won't play in 2012-13. Buy out next summer.
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Gomez will be paid prorated $5.5M this season. Canadiens will buy him out of final year at $4.5M (2/3s of the money over twice the term).
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They now call him GoHomez over there.

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Montreal will do the same with Gomez:

https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie

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They now call him GoHomez over there.
Still totally more valuable and better than Vinny

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Bettman did an interview with Boomer Esiason and another guy. The thing to come out of it is that the league is working on lowering the price of gamecenter live and/or Center Ice.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/01/...end-with-fans/

He almost comes across as human here, and I get where he's coming from, but saying the league can't just give away CI/GCL because they don't have sole custody over it is a bit misleading.

I've been to a few games where they've given away swag at the door. How is CI/GCL any different? The team/league pays a price for giveaways to use as an incentive to go. If the price is being lowered like that, it's likely from some sort of subsidy.

Now, I would agree that the difference is that with a giveaway, you'd be buying a ticket, but fans feel that they've already paid the price by the having their teams taken away from them.

I personally don't care that much. I'd like free CI or GCL, but I don't need it. The league doesn't want to pay that price, but then how is that surprising? I don't really think there's anything that can make up for what's been done but some people need that symbolism.


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Another example of the NHL playing god.

They also want intermission games done in 4 minutes instead of 5 for ice quality reasons.
Wasn't that PA demand/request? That ice conditions would be improved?

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