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Kulemin for Dave Bolland

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01-14-2013, 11:15 AM
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I will do this deal from Toronto's perspective.

We need depth at C. I've been a huge fan of Bolland since his London days.

I might be a willing to add a little bit along with Kulemin but not much. This is a fair trade.

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01-14-2013, 11:18 AM
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I don't get why we would go for bolland by giving up kulemin and adding a second rounder...

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01-14-2013, 11:28 AM
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1. Value is off. Bolland over Kulemin
2. Hawks need more Centers in the NHL, not trade them away

bad proposal

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01-14-2013, 12:04 PM
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It would have to be Grabo instead of Kulemin, and Chicago still says no.

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01-14-2013, 12:10 PM
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Like I said.. Chicago isn't moving Bolland unless they get an upgrade at centre.
Both of these teams are weak at Center.

Honestly Bolland is more like the #1 Center in Toronto (I really do not think Bozak is that good, but its impossible to know as he has been playing on the first line already, so his stats should be about as jacked as possible)

In Chicago, Bolland is the perfect #3 Center, but they have no #2 center, so he becomes the #2 Center.

This trade between the two teams could only involve Centers or C prospects, and honestly neither team can afford to trade those.

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01-14-2013, 12:17 PM
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It would have to be Grabo instead of Kulemin, and Chicago still says no.
Grabo for Bolland is redundant for Toronto. I would give Grabo a personal preference as he is the hardest worker on the ice night in and out and I've experienced that for the past couple of years.

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01-14-2013, 01:28 PM
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Horrible trading partners.

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01-14-2013, 01:32 PM
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It would have to be Grabo instead of Kulemin, and Chicago still says no.
Pretty ridiculous imo. Bolland is a good defensive 2/3 C who puts up 40 pts.

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01-14-2013, 01:34 PM
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Kulemin's value is as low as it's been recently.
I don't know enough about Bolland to say I'd never do the deal, but I wouldn't move kulemin right now.

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01-14-2013, 01:38 PM
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before I put the proposal up.. I was under the assumption Sharp was the hawks 2nd line C.... but it appears I was wrong. Obviously needs aren't there, but I would go as far to say that this isn't fair value... just different needs

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01-14-2013, 01:47 PM
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Talent Gap? Bolland has never broken 20 goals in his career and has had injury problems if i remember correctly. Kulemin is a season removed from having over 30g's and has been noted as a excellent defensive minded player. Frankly the 2nd might be an overpayment, but leafs are desperate for C's and Bolland is a player I feel is on the rise. Now it is only unfortunate that this doesnt fit CHI needs.

If chicago needs centers the best TO could do is Bozak+. Grabo would be a lateral move that wouldnt make sense. But Bozak is hardly an upgrade to Bolland, so TO might be looking at Bozak++, depending on the pieces added.
I have stats to back all of this up if necessary, but I'm at work so stats will be sparse until later.

Hopefully we can just agree that Bolland is clearly better than Kulemin defensively. Kulemin is good, but Bolland is one of the best in the league.

Then it comes to offense. For Kulemin's .501 PPG career average, Bolland has a .512 PPG average (an imperfect measure, but like I said, sparse stats until I get off work). That's even despite the ridiculous amount of defensive zone starts Bolland has shouldered for the last few years. Bolland is also more consistent offensively.

So yeah, I do see a talent gap.

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01-14-2013, 02:03 PM
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Just spitballin, but

Chicago
Tyler Bozak
Nikolai Kulemin

Toronto
Dave Bolland
Viktor Stalberg

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Pretty ridiculous imo. Bolland is a good defensive 2/3 C who puts up 40 pts.
Good defensive C? He's quite a bit better defensively than Grabo, who is a 'good' defensive forward. I would say Bolly is a great defensive C, who hasn't had much of an oppurtunity to put up points. Look at his linemates the last 2 seasons.

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01-14-2013, 02:13 PM
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Just spitballin, but

Chicago
Tyler Bozak
Nikolai Kulemin

Toronto
Dave Bolland
Viktor Stalberg

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No, the teams just don't make good trading partners.

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01-14-2013, 02:19 PM
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This proposal is bad and you should feel bad

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01-14-2013, 02:29 PM
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This proposal is bad and you should feel bad
Instead of just bashing... why not offer some advice as to what would be fair value for someone like Bolland?

and compared to other offers on this board "bad" is a little over-reaction

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01-14-2013, 02:48 PM
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We need a 1c and Kulemin isn't going anywhere.

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01-14-2013, 02:51 PM
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I was more commenting on what I bolded in your post. That the Leafs are desperate for centers, which isn't the case. They're desperate for a legit 1C. They have too many centers as is that can play from line 2 to 4.
I agree ^^ The Leafs are pretty stocked with 2b C's-4th line C's and as defensively solid Bolland is it isn't enough of an upgrade over Kulemin's D play to risk loosing a guy who could be perennial 30-30 winger who can play well in his own zone.

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It would have to be Grabo instead of Kulemin, and Chicago still says no.
Yea I'm about 99% sure if Grabo was offered straight up for Bolland it would be a done deal and Nonis would have one of the shortest GM career's ever

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01-14-2013, 03:17 PM
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I wouldn't trade Bolland for Grabo either. Their value is about the same and we prefer Bolland. When two players are close, is one a playoff beast? Yes, Bolland is a playoff beast, so we take him. Grabo has never played in the playoffs so we have no idea.

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No way in hell we trade Grabo straight up for Bolland

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01-14-2013, 03:35 PM
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No way in hell we trade Grabo straight up for Bolland
That's why these teams are horrible trading partners. Both teams want to get better. We have a lot of guys you want and you have one or two we want. So there really is no deal to be made.

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Just spitballin, but

Chicago
Tyler Bozak
Nikolai Kulemin

Toronto
Dave Bolland
Viktor Stalberg

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thats even worse

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01-14-2013, 04:54 PM
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thats even worse
I would have to agree.

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I wouldn't trade Bolland for Grabo either. Their value is about the same and we prefer Bolland. When two players are close, is one a playoff beast? Yes, Bolland is a playoff beast, so we take him. Grabo has never played in the playoffs so we have no idea.
I love HF...

I think you forgot, Grabbo is a #2C on a bottom five team, which really equates to an overpaid fourth liner on a contender.

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01-14-2013, 05:21 PM
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Hi there, Leafs fan coming in peace ( I know, I know) but I feel the I have a legit proposal here, obviously for fun, just wondering what Chicago fans would think of:

Nikolai Kulemin + a 2nd rounder

for

Dave Bolland


Leafs obviously need Center help, and I believe Bolland would slide in nicely as a top 6 center.

Kulemin, struggled last year. but is 2 years removed for a 30 goal season, and is effective even when not scoring.

Both players have similar contracts, expiring in 2 years... and are both 26 years old.


Thoughts?
From the Leafs perspective, Kulemin straight up for Bolland is a bad idea.

Yes, Bolland is one of the best 3rd line centres in the league. But, as evidenced by the fact that he can't even win a job as a #2 in Chicago, he'll likely never be more than that. Toronto's weakness at centre is not in the #3 position. They've got Tim Connolly, Matt Lombardi, and Jay McClement. Toronto's weakness at the centre position is the fact that Tyler Bozak is the #1. Dave Bolland isn't going to do anything to address that weakness.

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