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01-14-2013, 06:28 PM
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Did you really find Cowen much better than Phillips last year? He was at the beginning but after the Rundblad trade I think Phillips was the better D.
I'd say they were even. Remember when Cowen stepped up and played in the top-pairing with Karlsson? Absolute beast, the game against San Jose showed us of the potential Cowen could eventually be. We were getting physically destroyed and he laid a couple of huge hits that seemed to literally restore order and we ended up winning 4-1. Phillips stepped up huge too and was even a weapon on a struggling PP.

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01-14-2013, 06:32 PM
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I'd say they were even. Remember when Cowen stepped up and played in the top-pairing with Karlsson? Absolute beast, the game against San Jose showed us of the potential Cowen could eventually be. We were getting physically destroyed and he laid a couple of huge hits that seemed to literally restore order and we ended up winning 4-1. Phillips stepped up huge too and was even a weapon on a struggling PP.
Yep those games were pre-trade though. Cowen was great for a stretch, OK for the rest. We will miss him but only because we were counting on him to improve. I think Phillips and a combination of Boro, Wier and Benoit can be nearly as good as Cowen/Phillips last year. It's our #2 and #6 DMen that might be the issues. #4/5 isn't as much of a dropoff imo.

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01-14-2013, 06:34 PM
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Yep those games were pre-trade though. Cowen was great for a stretch, OK for the rest. We will miss him but only because we were counting on him to improve. I think Phillips and a combination of Boro, Wier and Benoit can be nearly as good as Cowen/Phillips last year. It's our #2 and #6 DMen that might be the issues. #4/5 isn't as much of a dropoff imo.
Agreed but the games were after the trade. Turris had 2 points that game, the rebound top-shelf and the pass to Karlsson for the quick one-timer.

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I really don't see the need, he is not a good player. He was drafted high, and that pedigree seems to entice people.
This is true, but as we're not losing assets, low risk high reward imo.

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01-14-2013, 06:37 PM
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Agreed but the games were after the trade. Turris had 2 points that game, the rebound top-shelf and the pass to Karlsson for the quick one-timer.

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Yeah he certainly had his elite games, something that I don't expect from either Phillips or Wier, but he also had some pretty bad games where he couldnt find his groove.

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01-14-2013, 06:40 PM
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Yeah he certainly had his elite games, something that I don't expect from either Phillips or Wier, but he also had some pretty bad games where he couldnt find his groove.
Most definitely. Early on the season he was beyond horrible in some games. His footwork was completely off. He was being blown by faster forwards because of his pivoting troubles and he timed his checks well-off. I was a huge advocate against Cowen's game early on. Him and Phillips both struggling at the same time with Gonchar was unbelievably aggravating to watch. Suicide hockey.

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I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't know if I'd have paid a 3rd for Mark Fistric.

Seems like a real steep price to pay for a 3rd pairing guy...

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I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't know if I'd have paid a 3rd for Mark Fistric.

Seems like a real steep price to pay for a 3rd pairing guy...
I'd rather keep the pick...we got a good scouting/drafting team that I would rather us keep our picks for the off-season.

Isn't this draft suppose to be deeper than the previous ones?

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01-14-2013, 07:01 PM
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I'd rather keep the pick...we got a good scouting/drafting team that I would rather us keep our picks for the off-season.
Don't get me wrong, I'd move the pick for a defenceman... just not for Fistric.

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Don't get me wrong, I'd move the pick for a defenceman... just not for Fistric.
For a young prospect or proven defender sure... I just don't want to trade a 3rd round pick for a bottom pair/depth defender at this point.

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I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't know if I'd have paid a 3rd for Mark Fistric.

Seems like a real steep price to pay for a 3rd pairing guy...
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If you drafted Fistric in the 3rd round, you'd call it a win.

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Should have signed Cam Barker, guy is gonna be beauty in Vancouver.

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If you drafted Fistric in the 3rd round, you'd call it a win.
Yeah, simply because hes an NHL player and most guys drafted in the 3rd round arent. But considering Fistric has been at best an OK #6 during his career, I'd rather just keep the 3rd and play our young guys. Boro, Wier, Gryba and Benoit all have the ability to be just as good as Fistric.

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Should have signed Cam Barker, guy is gonna be beauty in Vancouver.
Not sure if serious.

Dude lacks any hockey smarts at all.

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01-14-2013, 07:20 PM
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"has the ability to be..."

uhh, so what?

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If you drafted Fistric in the 3rd round, you'd call it a win.
I think I probably just have a lower opinion of Fistric than most, I guess.

Considering some of the ridiculous over/underprojections on these boards at times though, I still think it's a conservative evaluation.

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"has the ability to be..."

uhh, so what?
So, lets give them 8-10 games to fail before we ship off an asset for a dime-a-dozen DMan.

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01-14-2013, 07:25 PM
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So, lets give them 8-10 games to fail before we ship off an asset for a dime-a-dozen DMan.
"You play to win the game."

If the coach doesn't think Wiercioch or whoever can't cut it, the leash should not be 8-10 games in a season like this.

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Did you really find Cowen much better than Phillips last year? He was at the beginning but after the Rundblad trade I think Phillips was the better D.
i'd say they were more or less even, but the expectation would be that cowen continues to improve while phillips continues to slow down this year.

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01-14-2013, 07:27 PM
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Mark Fistric for a 3rd is a fair deal at the going rate. However, Fistric is not worth spending a 3rd and a roster spot in Ottawa, especially if it costs Patrick Wiercioch a spot on the team. I also see Benoit to be a better fit than Fistric in MacLean's system, while Boro at 23 is ready for at least temporary graduation as a 6/7 guy while Lundin is out.

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Yeah, simply because hes an NHL player and most guys drafted in the 3rd round arent. But considering Fistric has been at best an OK #6 during his career, I'd rather just keep the 3rd and play our young guys. Boro, Wier, Gryba and Benoit all have the ability to be just as good as Fistric.
I'd agree that I wouldn't go all out to get Fistric to play in Ottawa. Doesn't really match the system, and we've got guys ready to make the jump who could play a bottom pairing role. Just saying a 3rd isn't a horrible price to pay if you're Edmonton.

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I think I probably just have a lower opinion of Fistric than most, I guess.

Considering some of the ridiculous over/underprojections on these boards at times though, I still think it's a conservative evaluation.
He's an okay bottom pairing guy. Won't be a rock defensively but can add toughness.

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Would we trade Derek Grant or Jakub Culek for a competent young bottom pairing guy?

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Would we trade Derek Grant or Jakub Culek for a competent young bottom pairing guy?
I don't think either one, or even both of them packaged together would be close to the value of an NHL defenseman, not matter how optimistic you are about their potential as prospects.

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Would we trade Derek Grant or Jakub Culek for a competent young bottom pairing guy?
Yes, but I wouldn't trade Zack Smith or Pageau for one.

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