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01-14-2013, 06:26 PM
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The important thing here is youth. We need young players back from this deal.
Exactly.

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I don't know if VAN will be as strict with the 1st round pick. I hope they are though... Also wouldn't mind if that established NHLer isn't so established, but ready to make a mark.
Def agree w/ you. I want the 1st at all costs.

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I don't know if VAN will be as strict with the 1st round pick. I hope they are though... Also wouldn't mind if that established NHLer isn't so established, but ready to make a mark.
I don't think any teams will move their 1st early on. Too much uncertainty in a shortened season and this draft is just too good.

Goc, Robak, Shore and a 2nd for Luongo and Raymond. Not a great deal, but one that strengthens the roster in the short term while adding 3 young assets to the pipeline.

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01-14-2013, 06:32 PM
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If the "established NHLer" is Bozak, then the "high end prospect" better be Gardiner and not Kadri.

If the NHLer is Lupul or Grabovski, then I would be fine with Kadri (or even Colborne).


I really don't see the Leafs giving up their 1st this year. Supposedly a deep draft, and if the Leafs miss the playoffs their pick could end up being the 1st overall pick with the new CBA rules about the draft lottery.
Ya, it's a pretty vague answer from LebRun. I'd assume it would change depending on the team. Gillis is in a rare position where he doesn't 'require' a specific return i.e. doesn't need to replace the outgoing asset w/ the trade. I'm also guessing he's targeted specific players from each team (he has a history of this) - and probably not willing to trade till they become available.

Not sure about Leafs and their 1st. If they're competing with 6 or 7 other teams, they might not have a choice.

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01-14-2013, 06:34 PM
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I don't think any teams will move their 1st early on. Too much uncertainty in a shortened season and this draft is just too good.

Goc, Robak, Shore and a 2nd for Luongo and Raymond. Not a great deal, but one that strengthens the roster in the short term while adding 3 young assets to the pipeline.


The 1st won't move early on, I agree. Give teams a bit of time to consider their position. They can also protect their picks too though.

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01-14-2013, 06:39 PM
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The 1st won't move early on, I agree. Give teams a bit of time to consider their position. They can also protect their picks too though.
My question is, say TOR or TB goaltending is horrible in the first 5 games...

Are they more likely to offer up their 1st for Luongo? Sure it would fix their problem, but they've already crapped the bed for 10% of the season and have to try to dig themselves out of a hole making the pick more valuable.

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If the "established NHLer" is Bozak, then the "high end prospect" better be Gardiner and not Kadri.

If the NHLer is Lupul or Grabovski, then I would be fine with Kadri (or even Colborne).


I really don't see the Leafs giving up their 1st this year. Supposedly a deep draft, and if the Leafs miss the playoffs their pick could end up being the 1st overall pick with the new CBA rules about the draft lottery.
I'm convinced Gillis is targeting Lupul as a priority, with inquiries about Gardiner as an alternative. Just seems most likely given how little Lupul's name has been mentioned, which tends to happen in trade rumors. Honestly, the plus could be Connolly for all I care. Lupul actually addresses a need and is a step above Booth and Higgins.

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01-14-2013, 06:48 PM
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I don't think Luongo should be traded this season. CS is not ready for his duties, he is going to have one bad game and the fanbase will turn on him. I would like to see Luongo and CS split the 48 game schedule and who ever is on the hot streak going into the playoffs should start.

I think if we trade Luongo at the start of the season we are missing the play offs.
Schneider turns 27 this season, if he isn't ready yet then when exactly will he be?

As for the fanbase turning on him, I think that is absolutely insane. Perhaps a few panicky dip***** will be posting like mad but that really, really, really doesn't matter.

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01-14-2013, 07:02 PM
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My question is, say TOR or TB goaltending is horrible in the first 5 games...

Are they more likely to offer up their 1st for Luongo? Sure it would fix their problem, but they've already crapped the bed for 10% of the season and have to try to dig themselves out of a hole making the pick more valuable.


There is an internal threshold in mind for each team. If they are losing/mediocre for X amount of games, they can more "safely" trade their 1st in expectation of turning things around in short order. After than threshold, it becomes too risky to deal the pick.


As of right now, it's up in the air as to where that limit exists for TOR. I say it's 10 games. Just a guess though.

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01-14-2013, 07:39 PM
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Def agree w/ you. I want the 1st at all costs.
That first round pick is not going to score for us this playoff, if we are going to downgrade on goal, we need immediate help, not future picks.

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There is an internal threshold in mind for each team. If they are losing/mediocre for X amount of games, they can more "safely" trade their 1st in expectation of turning things around in short order. After than threshold, it becomes too risky to deal the pick.


As of right now, it's up in the air as to where that limit exists for TOR. I say it's 10 games. Just a guess though.
The 10 games is 20% of the season. The Leafs will not make a move then. If Luongo doesn't start the season here, then Nonis will have commited to what we have. The shortened season does not allow for a feeling out period.

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The 10 games is 20% of the season. The Leafs will not make a move then. If Luongo doesn't start the season here, then Nonis will have commited to what we have. The shortened season does not allow for a feeling out period.

Sure it does, it's only shorter than what we are usually used to. I think your wrong here LL.

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01-14-2013, 07:55 PM
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The 10 games is 20% of the season. The Leafs will not make a move then. If Luongo doesn't start the season here, then Nonis will have commited to what we have. The shortened season does not allow for a feeling out period.
While I'm not saying Nonis is an aggressive GM and will go balls out, I'd like to point out the trade deadline is in early April.

The option is still there if he thinks the team is a goalie short from reaching the playoffs.

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01-14-2013, 07:56 PM
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Hmm, there was a reporter on the radio here this afternoon, he said he thinks the Oilers are much more seriously interested in Luongo than people think.

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Hmm, there was a reporter on the radio here this afternoon, he said he thinks the Oilers are much more seriously interested in Luongo than people think.
Does the reporter have any insider info, or is he just guessing?

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Hmm, there was a reporter on the radio here this afternoon, he said he thinks the Oilers are much more seriously interested in Luongo than people think.
They have to be interested in any good player that might be willing to play there. Someone of Lu's calibre is a no brainer if they can convince him.

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Hmm, there was a reporter on the radio here this afternoon, he said he thinks the Oilers are much more seriously interested in Luongo than people think.
That's interesting. I just don't see a deal going through because they are going to be a very scary team in the near future and the Canucks wouldn't want to be the reason for making their divisional competition even tougher. Oilers would have to overpay compared to nondivisional teams in order to get Lu. I still think the Canucks management would have enough class to at least send him out east close to home.

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It's also been suggested that gillis will no trade within the division

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Does the reporter have any insider info, or is he just guessing?
Too new in town to know what reporters (if any) are worth listening too. It was Eric Francis from the Calgary Sun for the record. I don't like the idea of trading within the division, that's for sure. Of course I'm not a big fan of trading him at all.

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It's also been suggested that gillis will no trade within the division
Who suggested that? I recall in September someone named Mike Gillis stated that he has no reservations of trading with anyone in the league. I wonder if he's credible?

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The Oilers blogger on Eklunds site is suggesting that the Oilers acquire Luongo. The return should be Dubnyk and a 2nd, nothing more. He even suggests that Horcoff be allowed to be added to sweeten the deal for the Oil - since they are taking on Luongo's horrid contract.


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The Oilers blogger on Eklunds site is suggesting that the Oilers acquire Luongo. The return should be Dubnyk and a 2nd, nothing more. He even suggests that Horcoff be allowed to be added to sweeten the deal for the Oil - since they are taking on Luongo's horrid contract.

How gracious of him!

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The Oilers blogger on Eklunds site is suggesting that the Oilers acquire Luongo. The return should be Dubnyk and a 2nd, nothing more. He even suggests that Horcoff be allowed to be added to sweeten the deal for the Oil - since they are taking on Luongo's horrid contract.

I take that package over anything the leafs fan has to offer.

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That's interesting. I just don't see a deal going through because they are going to be a very scary team in the near future and the Canucks wouldn't want to be the reason for making their divisional competition even tougher. Oilers would have to overpay compared to nondivisional teams in order to get Lu. I still think the Canucks management would have enough class to at least send him out east close to home.
If the Oilers make the best offer I would advise Gillis to take it.

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