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01-14-2013, 09:43 PM
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MAF is a mediocre #1 goaltender, average, middle of the pack, he isn't going to stop that many shots when the team is letting the opposition have a clear path to the net.

I saw Sidney Crosby blow his coverage on his man more times than I can remember in that Philly series. Giroux had his way with him and looked like a better player than Crosby for that series. When your leader leads like that your team is probably going to have trouble unless you have a steadying force, like a very good shutdown D to counteract that. Crosby probably just got overwhelmed with emotion in that series, he certainly looked like he lost control of his emotions, but teams follow their captain.

My guess is that if the Penguins would have had a defensive guy who could not only calm down the room but back it up with his play, they would have beaten the Flyers.

The Penguins have several problems, my point is that the absolute least of their problems is a scoring winger.

Just to clarify because I know people will get bent out of shape, I think Crosby is the best player in the game he was just over his head as far as leadership goes in that series and the fact that he was out for so long is no small part why.
And yes its not a problem parse, but when Kunitz and dupuis(his regular linemates) are getting old and the only repsectable top 6 option in the minors is Beau Bennet then you start to want to think about that winger for the worlds best player, who is just going into his prime now...You dont waste years with generational talent, you build around it. We have the defense that can be groomed or traded and have cap room. We can fill both needs.

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That's why I want him. Has ownership mentioned anything of spending more? I know Big D has some of the lowest ticket prices in the league and still some issues filling the building. Also has Ryder mentioned anything about resigning? He may leave for nothing.
yes, new ownership has stated that they know you have to spend to win. my guess is that within a few seasons the stars will be near the cap. thankfully they haven't gone nuts overpaying FA's though.

as far as filling the building, dallas is a winners town. and the stars haven't done much of that lately. when they win, they sell tickets. now that the ownership is stable, they've been very active in marketing. plus, the roster is improved, so i expect that attendance won't be an issue.

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01-14-2013, 10:22 PM
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All that for Michael Ryder? Hell no! That's awful for the Pens.

Not a chance either Morrow or Despres would be available in a deal for Michael Ryder.
This is your homerism talking. Morrow or Depres have little value until they prove they are NHLers, and also what caliber of NHL if they make it. I don't make the rules of the NHL.

You may be right or wrong with your speculation of what they are. There is a cost for that uncertainty, however.

This deal is as close to fair as I can make it considering both team's needs and situations. You also may be undervaluing Ryder. He is as solid of a player as Neal is IMO (oops did I say that out loud?).

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This is your homerism talking. Morrow or Depres have little value until they prove they are NHLers, and also what caliber of NHL if they make it. I don't make the rules of the NHL.

You may be right or wrong with your speculation of what they are. There is a cost for that uncertainty, however.

This deal is as close to fair as I can make it considering both team's needs and situations. You also may be undervaluing Ryder. He is as solid of a player as Neal is IMO (oops did I say that out loud?).
All I can say is....

I am so very happy you are not the GM of the Pittsburgh Penguins.

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01-15-2013, 06:04 AM
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Its not a problem, but they have the money to get a legit top winger nd a defenseman. The way you are talking is as if the pens get a 3-4 mil a year wing they wouldnt have the money for a solid defenseman still.

People go after Pens fans like they havent been in the playoffs the last several years and went to 2 cups(when they had better wingers) and defenseman. Your argument is moot.
Actually what I am saying is that it seems that Penguins fans on this site want to add a scoring winger over any other need when that is actually the least of their problems.

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And yes its not a problem parse, but when Kunitz and dupuis(his regular linemates) are getting old and the only repsectable top 6 option in the minors is Beau Bennet then you start to want to think about that winger for the worlds best player, who is just going into his prime now...You dont waste years with generational talent, you build around it. We have the defense that can be groomed or traded and have cap room. We can fill both needs.
I agree with a lot of what you are saying actually. Part of building around Crosby is giving him the players he needs to get the job done at every position, not just the wing.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think it is a bad idea for the Penguins to upgrade at wing, I think it is a bad idea to upgrade at wing without fixing the problems with the defense. I don't think they have the players or are playing a system that is going to bring them success. If they want to keep playing the system they are playing they need to add D that is defensively excellent and can get in the lanes when the opposition is going on the attack. Guys who will close the gap on the attacking players and not just let them have a lane to the net.

Letang is a good player, he just isn't that kind of player, Martin is a system type of player, the Penguins system doesn't fit him very well. Engelland might be the only guy who sort of fits the mold of the player that I think the Pens need they just need another guy like that who is a better player first and foremost.

I actually think the goaltending will be ok with Vokoun and MAF splitting time, it will keep MAF from getting worn out and the team will know they have a backup they can count on but they have to have the defense in front of them. Unless they add all the best wingers in the league it will still be hard for them to win playoff series if they are going to give up 5 goals every game.

The Penguins have the prospects on D that perhaps they could manage to acquire a top pairing shutdown D without giving up anyone important to the team this season, they are in an excellent position right now and have a chance to add that kind of player if they can find a team that is either rebuilding or has a player heading to UFA and would love to have an excellent D prospect in return.

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