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01-14-2013, 10:24 PM
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I think this is fair..

To Philly0 Kulikov
To FLorida- Luongo
To Van Coutirier
Good trade for all three teams. too bad it wont happen.

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01-14-2013, 10:27 PM
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Gillis is working out a deal for Luongo to go to Florida right now. I think that's pretty clear.

FLA: Luongo, Connauton, Read, Philly 2nd, Vancouver 2nd
PHI: Kulikov
VAN: Voracek

I think the value is very fair here. Though Florida is probably looking for more quality than quantity.
close, take out Connauton

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01-14-2013, 10:27 PM
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I think this is fair..

To Philly0 Kulikov
To FLorida- Luongo
To Van Coutirier
Not enough going to Florida. Couturier is untouchable IMO.

To Phi- Kulikov
To Van- Voracek
To Fla- Luongo, Tanev

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01-14-2013, 10:28 PM
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Not enough going to Florida. Couturier is untouchable IMO.

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Kulikov > Voracek
Philly needs to add, and there is no way the Canucks give up Tanev.

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01-14-2013, 10:29 PM
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I still don't get why Florida would want him - unless they're moving Theodore. But who would take Theodore? Would he be coming back to Vancouver? Or would another team need to be involved?
Theo is a UFA after the season. It wouldn't he hard to force him to take a trade. Worst case Florida waives him and Vancouver promises to put in a claim.

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01-14-2013, 10:32 PM
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So...hopefully not too far OT given that there's been some talk of the Oilers:
What the hell happened to MPS's development?
It's only his third year. Not everybody follows the same progression.

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I still don't get why Florida would want him - unless they're moving Theodore. But who would take Theodore? Would he be coming back to Vancouver? Or would another team need to be involved?
Why wouldn't the Canucks want Theodore? Team needs a veteran back-up (sure we'd all like a cheap one but given what's left...) and at least his contract expires at the end of the season.

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01-14-2013, 10:36 PM
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Kulikov > Voracek
Philly needs to add, and there is no way the Canucks give up Tanev.
I value Voracek very highly. He's huge and has put up excellent numbers before the age of 23.

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01-14-2013, 10:37 PM
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Kulikov is a very good young defenceman and a big part of Florida's team. He's better than Jake Gardiner by quite a ways at this point. Not happening.

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01-14-2013, 10:41 PM
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Why wouldn't the Canucks want Theodore? Team needs a veteran back-up (sure we'd all like a cheap one but given what's left...) and at least his contract expires at the end of the season.
Yeah, I'd definitely take on Theodore. Low-maintenance veteran backup who can start in a pinch.

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01-14-2013, 10:42 PM
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Kulikov is a very good young defenceman and a big part of Florida's team. He's better than Jake Gardiner by quite a ways at this point. Not happening.
Aren't they having contract issues with him though? If he is demanding a trade I could see something like-

Vancouver-Kulikov
Florida- Luongo, 1st

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01-14-2013, 10:44 PM
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Connolly makes the same money as Kesler - Gilman would work his magic on that front.

The reason I don't like Bozak is because he's the Leafs 1st line centre, is best friends with Phil Kessel and would represent a big portion of value in the deal. I don't want Bozak as one of the main components. He's not a throw-in for Toronto - even if that's what we think of him.

Connolly has always been a timid, lazy floater with a questionable defensive game. But he's still one of the bigger point producing centremen in the NHL over the last 6 seasons. His PPG before last season was very similar to Brad Richards. There's a reason he commanded $5mil...

Who is going to centre the 2nd PP unit? Don't see Bozak filling that void. Connolly probably could.



I follow BUF a bit as this team's sister franchise, and Connolly looked much better in
the past than he does now. He has definitely lost something along the way.


However, if Bozak's value significantly changes the total package value coming from TOR, then yes, you get TOR to take on half his cap-hit and take Connolly. But I thought we were assuming both are "throw ins", so I'm a bit confused as to what the original premise was?

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Kulikov > Voracek
Philly needs to add, and there is no way the Canucks give up Tanev.
I'm confused. I was thinking we were getting Kulikov back. That was the justification of including Tanev.

I don't like the idea of moving Tanev for a winger...

To Fla- Luongo, tanev
To van- Kulikov

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I follow BUF a bit as this team's sister franchise, and Connolly looked much better in
the past than he does now. He has definitely lost something along the way.


However, if Bozak's value significantly changes the total package value coming from TOR, then yes, you get TOR to take on half his cap-hit and take Connolly. But I thought we were assuming both are "throw ins", so I'm a bit confused as to what the original premise was?
If Bozak isn't going to contribute more to our success than Connolly, why not target the player that holds no value in trade...

Due to Bozak's situation, I don't think he will be viewed as a throw-in. Connolly on the other hand may be considered a cap dump with negative value. If so, I would prefer him.

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I follow BUF a bit as this team's sister franchise, and Connolly looked much better in
the past than he does now. He has definitely lost something along the way
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However, if Bozak's value significantly changes the total package value coming from TOR, then yes, you get TOR to take on half his cap-hit and take Connolly. But I thought we were assuming both are "throw ins", so I'm a bit confused as to what the original premise was?
Multiple concussions will do that.

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I'm confused. I was thinking we were getting Kulikov back. That was the justification of including Tanev.

I don't like the idea of moving Tanev for a winger...

To Fla- Luongo, tanev
To van- Kulikov
I like this trade, it is similar to what I offered earlier. It works for both sides as long as the rumours about Kulikov being unhappy in Florida are true. If not then the trade probably would not happen . Florida gets a number one goalie and a defenseman and Vancouver gets a young puck rushing defenseman.

Van-Kulikov
Flor-Luongo, Tanev or a 1st or if they wanted someone like Jensen that would probably be fair too

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Multiple concussions will do that.
Then you get players that don't change they style (to their deteriment). Like Hemsky for example.

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Aren't they having contract issues with him though? If he is demanding a trade I could see something like-

Vancouver-Kulikov
Florida- Luongo, 1st
I think they'll get a deal done. Second contracts can be tough and not a lot of compareables at 22 years old. Plays a big role for them and playing huge minutes in Russia. A tough sign but they'll sign him. But if he asks for a trade and they oblige, sure, go for it.

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LOL imagine if we end up with Ballard, Kulikov and Garrison

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Vancouver: Couturier
Philly: Kulikov
Florida: Luongo

I really like this. Benefits all three teams for need and we basically get Kesler's protege.

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Gillis is working out a deal for Luongo to go to Florida right now. I think that's pretty clear.

FLA: Luongo, Connauton, Read, Philly 2nd, Vancouver 2nd
PHI: Kulikov
VAN: Voracek

I think the value is very fair here. Though Florida is probably looking for more quality than quantity.
Seems pretty steep for Philly - Read, Voracek and a 2nd for Kulikov?

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Seems pretty steep for Philly - Read, Voracek and a 2nd for Kulikov?
A position of strength to a position of weakness. Value may be slightly off for every single team, but it's roughly what I expect to happen.

Florida gets Read; a young up and coming player with consistent 50pt 2nd line potential, and Luongo. This helps solidify a weak offensive team and boosts their goaltending tremendously.

Philadelphia gets a potential #2 dmen to replace an aging Timonen, by giving up from a position of strength.

Vancouver gets a strong, young, play making RW.

Edit: You're right, that may be a little steep. Switch Read to Eric Wellwood and that makes more sense.

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I am so sick of reading proposed trades. Where are the real rumours ffs.

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I feel Kulikov is getting overrated here.

Potential, yeah its high, Luongo is worth more.

Let alone adding picks and prospects.

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I follow BUF a bit as this team's sister franchise, and Connolly looked much better in
the past than he does now. He has definitely lost something along the way.


However, if Bozak's value significantly changes the total package value coming from TOR, then yes, you get TOR to take on half his cap-hit and take Connolly. But I thought we were assuming both are "throw ins", so I'm a bit confused as to what the original premise was?
The original premise, presumably, was who the "+" was coming back on Toronto's end, assuming the significant part was Gardiner or a 1st or Kadri at the least. Since I don't think anyone here would be thrilled with a package built around Connolly or Bozak (or Frattin, who also seems to keep coming up).

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