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Hall-Yakupov vs Seguin-Galchenyuk

View Poll Results: Which pair would you take on your team?
Hall-Yakupov 251 48.83%
Seguin-Galchenyuk 243 47.28%
Too close 20 3.89%
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01-14-2013, 11:09 PM
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Please do explain why.
What has Galchenyuk done to prove that he's a better player than Yakupov? The answer is nothing.

Hall has out-produced Seguin so far in the NHL but, because Hall gets a couple of random injuries, Seguin is somehow the better player? Yeah, no.

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I agree on the Hall-Yak part but not close? Thats kinda ridiculous imo.
I never said it wasn't close.

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01-14-2013, 11:17 PM
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What has Galchenyuk done to prove that he's a better player than Yakupov? The answer is nothing.

Hall has out-produced Seguin so far in the NHL but, because Hall gets a couple of random injuries, Seguin is somehow the better player? Yeah, no.
What has Yakupov done to prove he's a better player than Galchenyuk? It can go both ways.

Hall out-produced Seguin their rookie year, while Seguin actually out-produced Hall last year. Seguin is also on a more defensive team, and their rookie year he played much more sheltered minutes.

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I never said it wasn't close.
You said "and it's not as close as some fans like to make themselves believe", which is basically saying it's not close.

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01-14-2013, 11:24 PM
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What has Yakupov done to prove he's a better player than Galchenyuk? It can go both ways.

Hall out-produced Seguin their rookie year, while Seguin actually out-produced Hall last year. Seguin is also on a more defensive team, and their rookie year he played much more sheltered minutes.
For one he actually played his draft year. I guess you can say his intangibles are better by actually playing.

He outproduced Hall because he played more games. Like I said before Hall's pro rated stats were 36g-35a-71 pts. I dont think Hall would of reached those numbers, because pro rated stats dont account for hot and cold streaks, but I think its fair to say if they both played 82, they'd be around the same for points.

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01-14-2013, 11:31 PM
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For one he actually played his draft year. I guess you can say his intangibles are better by actually playing.

He outproduced Hall because he played more games. Like I said before Hall's pro rated stats were 36g-35a-71 pts. I dont think Hall would of reached those numbers, because pro rated stats dont account for hot and cold streaks, but I think its fair to say if they both played 82, they'd be around the same for points.
If we were having this discussion in August, the whole, "he actually played in his draft year argument" would work, but Galchenyuk has been phenomenal since he started playing again. Not that Yakupov has been bad, but I'm only trying to say you can't say one has definitely been better than the other. They've been playing in two different leagues, and at the WJC, they put up the same number of points in the same number of games.

Not going to address the Hall vs. Seguin thing anymore, because I did math wrong when calculating their PPG numbers last season. You're right, Hall's was higher, and I actually agree with you that they'd be close if they both played full seasons. The only reason I take Seguin is because of personal preference and his position.

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01-14-2013, 11:40 PM
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Seguin is a winger just like Galchenyuk at this point. Talking about "position" is nonsensical. There were talks about the Oilers moving Hall to center (since he is a natural center), so would that now make him the more desirable player? See how silly that is?

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01-14-2013, 11:48 PM
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I watched every single game, and I can tell you that Hall and RNH barely played together. They played together on the PP a lot however.
Maybe follow the link in this post

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Right...

http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_time_...11+13+29+31+33

....so you're not an Oiler fan I guess?

He was moved off their line at ES after awhile, still got a TON of PP time with both of them though
Hall's top 2 linemates last year were Eberle and RNH so maybe you should have watched the games a little more closely.

As far as the poll Seguin and Galchenyuk pretty easily. If you want to build a winner you build down the middle.

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Seguin is a winger just like Galchenyuk at this point. Talking about "position" is nonsensical. There were talks about the Oilers moving Hall to center (since he is a natural center), so would that now make him the more desirable player? See how silly that is?
Seguin is winger because Boston has great depth down the middle and Gal does sometimes because neither Sarnia or the USA WJC team care about how Montreal want to develop him. Gally may even get his feet wet in the NHL playing on the wing but he is a center and that is what he will play long term.

You are right that talking about position is nonsensical though, it is widely accepted that center is more valuable than winger.

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Galy put up great #'s in the OHL but Yakupov also put up 18 p in 22 g in a defensive minded KHL playing 3rd line minutes.

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Galy put up great #'s in the OHL but Yakupov also put up 18 p in 22 g in a defensive minded KHL playing 3rd line minutes.
Sorry, what?

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The two that dont play for the Oilers, AINEC

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Yakupov >> Galchenyuk
Hall >/= Seguin

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Hall = Seguin

Go look up raw stats, advanced stats, metrics, etc... Hall has better intangibles too. If you're on a western conference team, you get ignored on HF unless you go deep in the playoffs (see Quick/Kopitar past->present) or get lots of points (see Eberle/Hall on HF and HFOil).
It's pretty much as even as you can get. I might even give a slight edge to Hall.

Yakupov > Galchenyuk

This is pretty close but one guy was a unanimous #1 while the other was all over the top5 (and occasionally lower). Not enough has happened since the draft to make me think that Galchenyuk is all of a sudden better. The people knocking Hall for injuries seem to be forgetting something major here.

Wouldn't expect HF to pick two Oilers though.

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01-15-2013, 12:31 AM
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Hall = Seguin

Go look up raw stats, advanced stats, metrics, etc... Hall has better intangibles too. If you're on a western conference team, you get ignored on HF unless you go deep in the playoffs (see Quick/Kopitar past->present) or get lots of points (see Eberle/Hall on HF and HFOil).
It's pretty much as even as you can get. I might even give a slight edge to Hall.

Yakupov > Galchenyuk

This is pretty close but one guy was a unanimous #1 while the other was all over the top5 (and occasionally lower). Not enough has happened since the draft to make me think that Galchenyuk is all of a sudden better. The people knocking Hall for injuries seem to be forgetting something major here.

Wouldn't expect HF to pick two Oilers though.
Galchenyuk was ranked all over the top 5 because he hadn't played at all in his draft year. If I recall correctly, some scouts believed he could have very well gone first overall had he played in his draft year. Based on what he's done this season, it's nearly impossible to predict who is the better player between him and Yakupov, since they haven't played at the same level the last 2 years, beside the WJC, at which they got the same amount of points.

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What has Galchenyuk done to prove that he's a better player than Yakupov? The answer is nothing.
Alex Galchenyuk: 61 pts in 33 games in the OHL (1.85 pts/game). He is slighty above the 2 pts/game pace excluding the first few games where he shook off the rust.

Nail Yakupov: 69 pts in 42 games in the OHL last year (1.64 pts/game)

Galchenyuk is 5 months younger than Yakupov so Galchy was only 7 months older when he did his 1.85 PPG vs 1.64 for Yakupov. And Galchy might have close to 2 PPG had he played the whole season in Sarnia.

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Alex Galchenyuk: 61 pts in 33 games in the OHL (1.85 pts/game). He is slighty above the 2 pts/game pace excluding the first few games where he shook off the rust.

Nail Yakupov: 69 pts in 42 games in the OHL last year (1.64 pts/game)

Galchenyuk is 5 months younger than Yakupov so Galchy was only 7 months older when he did his 1.85 PPG vs 1.64 for Yakupov.
I'm all for finding and using arguments that prove Galchenyuk is the better player, because I think he is, but this is not a good one.

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Alex Galchenyuk: 61 pts in 33 games in the OHL (1.85 pts/game). He is slighty above the 2 pts/game pace excluding the first few games where he shook off the rust.

Nail Yakupov: 69 pts in 42 games in the OHL last year (1.64 pts/game)

Galchenyuk is 5 months younger than Yakupov so Galchy was only 7 months older when he did his 1.85 PPG vs 1.64 for Yakupov.


Weak

You're really getting desperate here if you have to resort to that as an argument. At the end of the day its still his Post draft season in the OHL against far inferior competition to Yakupov. You should also wait till Galchenyuk actually plays more than 33 games before comparing PPG's.

cant wait till Yakupov actually proves people wrong in the NHL, while Galchenyuk continues to play against little boys this year.

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Sorry, what?
It has been highlighted already that the KHL is a more defensive league than the NHL

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I picked Hall-Yak because I think Yak will end up being the far better player over Galchenyuk. Hall is probably behind Seguin, but I think over time those two will have similar careers when all is said and done.

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It has been highlighted already that the KHL is a more defensive league than the NHL
Where? By who?

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Hall=Seguim
Yak>Gal

Oilers duo.
More like Seguin>Hall

I'd take Seguin and Galchenyuk

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Where? By who?
hahaha cmon just look it up. its a well known fact.

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More like Seguin>Hall

I'd take Seguin and Galchenyuk
Why Seguin over Hall? And please don't say he outscored Hall. They were scoring at the same clip until Hall got injured. (Hall was actually producing at a better ppg). Halls pro rated stats : 36g-35a-71pts. And Hall has a lot of intangibles. So I really don't get how you can say Seguin is better then Hall so cofidentley. They are virtually equal skill wise.

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