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Well said. STL is as complete of a team as any fan could want. What are your weaknesses? answer: None aside of lack of experience (which was obtained by losing last year). Oh and you are adding this guy named Tarasenko. You have solid young guys/prospects to fill any void you may have. This team will be good for a long time.
You wouldn't downgrade from Halak to Reimer if it meant adding Jake Gardiner?
wait if you're insinuating that a team would be better off with reimer+gardiner than halak, then why would you want to make the trade in the first place from toronto's point of view?
The fact is the blues had great success with the halak/elliot tandem and there is no reason to mess with success for only a moderate upgrade on D
Well said. STL is as complete of a team as any fan could want. What are your weaknesses? answer: None aside of lack of experience (which was obtained by losing last year). Oh and you are adding this guy named Tarasenko. You have solid young guys/prospects to fill any void you may have. This team will be good for a long time.
Why blow it up so soon?
They don't have a weakness? You realize they were 21st in goals per game last season, all teams who finished worse than them in that category were non playoff teams. Couple that with a bottom 10 PP in the league, and I'd say their weakness is goal scoring. IF their goalies falter, IF they can't replicate their extremely low goals against per game, and IF they continue to struggle to score then they could have some problems.
I'm not downing on the Blues, but they certainly have weaknesses. Personally, I wouldnt want to rely fully on Halak or Elliott. Elliott seems too good to be true, and Halak seems to sometimes lose it for stretches. St. Louis needs to keep that tandem intact if they want to contend, there is a serious risk otherwise especially in a shortened season where a 7 game losing streak could cost you the playoffs.
They don't have a weakness? You realize they were 21st in goals per game last season, all teams who finished worse than them in that category were non playoff teams. Couple that with a bottom 10 PP in the league, and I'd say their weakness is goal scoring. IF their goalies falter, IF they can't replicate their extremely low goals against per game, and IF they continue to struggle to score then they could have some problems.
I'm not downing on the Blues, but they certainly have weaknesses. Personally, I wouldnt want to rely fully on Halak or Elliott. Elliott seems too good to be true, and Halak seems to sometimes lose it for stretches. St. Louis needs to keep that tandem intact if they want to contend, there is a serious risk otherwise.
And when Perron came back and even more when McDonald came back, our offense is around top 10ish. Stewart has lost 20 pounds, so it is reasonable to think he will bounce back.
They don't have a weakness? You realize they were 21st in goals per game last season, all teams who finished worse than them in that category were non playoff teams. Couple that with a bottom 10 PP in the league, and I'd say their weakness is goal scoring. IF their goalies falter, IF they can't replicate their extremely low goals against per game, and IF they continue to struggle to score then they could have some problems.
I'm not downing on the Blues, but they certainly have weaknesses. Personally, I wouldnt want to rely fully on Halak or Elliott. Elliott seems too good to be true, and Halak seems to sometimes lose it for stretches. St. Louis needs to keep that tandem intact if they want to contend, there is a serious risk otherwise especially in a shortened season where a 7 game losing streak could cost you the playoffs.
Take a look at the GPG and PP% when Andy McDonald was injured and when he was healthy last year. When McDonald played, the Blues' PP was elite.
And when Perron came back and even more when McDonald came back, our offense is around top 10ish. Stewart has lost 20 pounds, so it is reasonable to think he will bounce back.
And we're gaining one of the most highly touted prospects out of Russia since Malkin
And when Perron came back and even more when McDonald came back, our offense is around top 10ish. Stewart has lost 20 pounds, so it is reasonable to think he will bounce back.
Why is it that every trade proposed these days is for Gardiner? Gardiner for Luongo, Gardiner for Halak. Gardiner for Bernier.
The fact that every trade involves Gardiner probably means Gardiner is never going to get traded from Toronto.
Would any other team trade their top prospect for Halak? Probably not....
What else does Toronto have to offer? They are saying no to Gardiner here. They'd want Gardiner+. What pieces on Toronto would you trade Gardiner for, and feel as if you were getting fair value? I bet you can't do it without Rielly+, Kessel, or maybe Phaneuf. Not angry or mad-ranting, just serious.
A playoff team does not trade their starting goalie when the backup has serious question marks if he can repeat his performance from last season. Halak simply is not available.
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Originally Posted by TSA0402
If Halak is traded then who starts for the Blues?
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Originally Posted by HooliganX2
He pretty much is unless we are receiving a better goalie in return. It just makes no sense to trade him at all. Why would the Blues weaken such an important position. The Blues needs are not so severe to make trading Halak to fill one make any sense at all.
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Originally Posted by BleedBlue247
So do you have a better goalie to give the Blues then? There's no need to weaken the goaltending to get another defenseman. Cole will do just fine.
The above are fair responses with legitimate reasoning.
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Originally Posted by BleedBlue247
Nope
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Originally Posted by rumrokh
Not a chance.
That's ludicrous.
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Originally Posted by CarvinSigX
Must be that time of the week again. And no, Leafs fans didn't take 4 months off...Especially on the this site...Particularly the trade forum.
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Originally Posted by rumrokh
Can we go ahead and say no Berglund to Toronto either, while we're at it?
The above responses are not well thought out, nor do they help any discussion. Why do you feel the need to be so defensive?
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Originally Posted by The Inglorious One
Absolutely not and the following mini-rant is not directed at you individually, just the person I happened to quote.
No Halak, no Berglund, not today, not tomorrow, not on Saturday night, not in a month, not at the trade deadline.
The Blues got where they were last year because of the collective duo of Halak and Elliott. Not one or the other. We can't afford to trade either of them.
We cannot afford to trade Patrick Berglund because he is one of two centerman on the team.
If we are going to part with either Halak or Berglund (or Elliott for that matter) it would have to be for a better goalie or a better center. Since that is most likely unrealistic, we will take our chances with the team that was a win away from the President's trophy and hope that the additions of Vladimir Tarasenko, Jaden Schwartz, and Ian Cole are enough to get us over the top.
Mini-rant over lol.
This is an example of a well thought out post.
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Originally Posted by bleedblue1223
I guess no means try harder in Toronto.
This is the exact opposite.
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Originally Posted by bleedblue1223
Gardiner for Gunnarsson.
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Originally Posted by rumrokh
And help out a division rival like that?!
If they're giving up Gardiner, Kessel has to be coming back.
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Originally Posted by bleedblue1223
I figure I would just gift them Max to end the HF madness.
These are even worse. Why is there this stigma with so many Blues fans towards anything Blue & White?
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Originally Posted by ProspectProphet
What else does Toronto have to offer? They are saying no to Gardiner here. They'd want Gardiner+. What pieces on Toronto would you trade Gardiner for, and feel as if you were getting fair value? I bet you can't do it without Rielly+, Kessel, or maybe Phaneuf. Not angry or mad-ranting, just serious.
Halak wouldn't be going anywhere, it would be Elliot. I don't think anyone believes Elliot will duplicate last season, wouldn't make sense for a contender to deal it's best goaltender.
If they're giving up Gardiner, Kessel has to be coming back.
The can't afford to give up young talent. How about Kadri, Bozak and 2nd for Kessel (his contract is bad because he's a UFA in a 18 months). They can't expect any more, Toronto is doing them a favour just taking Kessel of their hands.
Halak wouldn't be going anywhere, it would be Elliot. I don't think anyone believes Elliot will duplicate last season, wouldn't make sense for a contender to deal it's best goaltender.
I'll do an avatar bet that as long as the Blues don't get crippled by injuries, Elliott will post a 9.15% or higher save percentage. He's confident, something that he couldn't be before.
I'll do an avatar bet that as long as the Blues don't get crippled by injuries, Elliott will post a 9.15% or higher save percentage. He's confident, something that he couldn't be before.
If he's posting a 9.15% I doubt he'll be in the NHL much longer
And when Perron came back and even more when McDonald came back, our offense is around top 10ish. Stewart has lost 20 pounds, so it is reasonable to think he will bounce back.
