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01-14-2013, 02:40 PM
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With the cap being determined by a 50-50 revenue split, there certainly is a chance that it won't be up to $70 mill in a year

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The cap went from $50.3M to $56.7M. Sather had some money to spend. Redden is the one contract he could not move. Sather tried to sign Hossa but he signed with the Wings. Sather gave Rozsival $20M coming off of hip surgery. $39M to Redden. Traded Tyutin to Columbus for Zherdev. Signed Naslund. Redden was on the decline before Sather signed him. Calgary was also interested in Redden. He should have signed with Calgary. Close to home.
Calgary's #1 priority was Bouwmeester.

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Calgary's #1 priority was Bouwmeester.
What? Bouwmeester didn't end up in Calgary until a year after Redden signed here.

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What? Bouwmeester didn't end up in Calgary until a year after Redden signed here.
Yup, you're correct. My bad.

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Let's see how much the cap increases between now and then.

Lundqvist likely won't be getting a pay raise. Nobody will get more than $1-2 raises. Rupp, Boyle, Asham, Pyatt and Halpern will be replaced by Miller, Lindberg, Fast, Hrivik and Jean, saving us almost $2.


Nash ($7.8) - Brad ($6.667) - Gabby or UFA ($7)
Kreider ($2.5) - Stepan ($2.5) - Callahan ($5.5)
Hagelin ($2.5) - Miller ($1.25) - Fast ($0.9)
Hrivik ($.685) - Lindberg ($.760) - Jean ($0.925)
Haley or similar UFA ($.6)

FORWARDS: $39,587


McDonagh ($4) - Girardi ($6)
Staal (3.975) - McIlrath ($1.295)
MDZ ($3.5) - Stralman or similar UFA ($1.7)
Gilroy is similar UFA ($.65)

DEFENSE: $21,120


Lundqvist: $6.875
Backup: $1

GOALIES: $7,875


TOTAL: $68,582

There's no reason the cap won't go up to $70 by 2014-15, making it very possible for us to sign Gaborik or another UFA for $7.0-7.5. The cap increased by $11 over the last two years. There's no reason it can't do so again in the next 2 years (it would actually be a smaller percentage increase).
This looks like a candy store to me

But it raises the big question, who would be, in that summer, the awesome UFA that could be the replacement signing after losing/dropping Gabby?

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01-15-2013, 08:29 AM
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Let's see how much the cap increases between now and then.

Lundqvist likely won't be getting a pay raise. Nobody will get more than $1-2 raises. Rupp, Boyle, Asham, Pyatt and Halpern will be replaced by Miller, Lindberg, Fast, Hrivik and Jean, saving us almost $2.


Nash ($7.8) - Brad ($6.667) - Gabby or UFA ($7)
Kreider ($2.5) - Stepan ($2.5) - Callahan ($5.5)
Hagelin ($2.5) - Miller ($1.25) - Fast ($0.9)
Hrivik ($.685) - Lindberg ($.760) - Jean ($0.925)
Haley or similar UFA ($.6)

FORWARDS: $39,587


McDonagh ($4) - Girardi ($6)
Staal (3.975) - McIlrath ($1.295)
MDZ ($3.5) - Stralman or similar UFA ($1.7)
Gilroy is similar UFA ($.65)

DEFENSE: $21,120

Lundqvist: $6.875
Backup: $1

GOALIES: $7,875


TOTAL: $68,582

There's no reason the cap won't go up to $70 by 2014-15, making it very possible for us to sign Gaborik or another UFA for $7.0-7.5. The cap increased by $11 over the last two years. There's no reason it can't do so again in the next 2 years (it would actually be a smaller percentage increase).
What about this scenario? FLAME AWAY ( just playing around)

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After consecutive Stanley Cups in 2013 & 2014 going to NYC...
  • The 2014/2015 Salary Cap is set at $70,2M
  • Brad Richards is bought out with a compliance buyout
  • Marian Gaborik, Brian Boyle, Anton Stralman and Martin Biron are not resigned
Signings
  • Henrik Lundqvist resigns for $7M
  • Dan Girardi resigns for $5,5M
  • Ryan Callahan resigns for $5,5M
  • Ryan McDonaugh resigns (bridge contract) for $4M
  • Chris Kreider resigns (2 year contract) for $2,5M
  • NYR Trade M Staal+ to Carolina for Justin Faulk (do not want or advocate trading Staal, just an option if he is shown difficult to resign). RFA Faulk then signs for 3 years at $3,5M
  • UFA Devin Setoguchi signed 4 years at $5M
  • UFA Evgeny Malkin signs 7 years at $9M on a front loaded contract
  • UFA (the year before) Douglas Murray signs 4 years at $3M (he can easily be dealt later when B Skjei is ready)
  • UFA Grinder (LW) signed at $1m

Nash ($7.8) - Malkin ($9) - Setoguchi ($5)
Kreider ($2.5) - Stepan ($2.8) - Callahan ($5.5)
Hagelin ($2) - Miller ($1.25) - Fast or Hrivik ($0.9)
Grinder ($1.000) - Lindberg ($.760) - Jean ($0.925)
Haley or similar UFA ($0.6)
FORWARDS: $40,035

McDonagh ($3,8) - Justin Faulk ($3,5)
MDZ ($3.5) - Girardi ($5)
Douglas Murray ($3) - McIlrath ($1.295)
Bickel, Gilroy or whatever ($.65)
DEFENSE: $21,745

Lundqvist: $7
Backup UFA G: $0.9
GOALIES: $7,9

TOTAL: $69,680


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01-15-2013, 09:02 AM
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Joe Micheletti said during a Rangers broadcast in Redden's first or second year that there were other teams which had comparable offers on the table to the Rangers offer. He mentioned Calgary. Joe was trying to defend the Rangers and/or Redden when Redden was really fighting. Joe likes to say a player is good and proud man. Redden is trying hard to make it work.

Hopefully,the NHL and NHLPA come up with an agreement where the Rangers can buy out Redden now and everyone moves on.

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Joe Micheletti said during a Rangers broadcast in Redden's first or second year that there were other teams which had comparable offers on the table to the Rangers offer. He mentioned Calgary. Joe was trying to defend the Rangers and/or Redden when Redden was really fighting. Joe likes to say a player is good and proud man. Redden is trying hard to make it work.

Hopefully,the NHL and NHLPA come up with an agreement where the Rangers can buy out Redden now and everyone moves on.
The NHLPA should sit down with the league and try to work on something for both Redden and Gomez. Call it "The Sather Exemption" or something in a MOU.

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$70M cap. Revenue would need to increase to $3.85B. 50%. Subtract $95M for benefits. $61,000,000 midpoint. The new CBA will use 15% to determine the range beginning in 2014-15. Add $9,150,00. $70,150,000 cap. There is no more 5% bump. Revenue was $3.3B in 11-12. The cap is already set at $64.3M for 13-14. The revenue for 13-14 will determine the 14-15 cap. The cap can't drop below $64.3M in any year.

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As long as Redden gets paid every nickel owed to him,the PA has no right to complain.

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50/50. No 5% bump. The cap won't jump as much as it did in 2005 CBA.


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The NHLPA should sit down with the league and try to work on something for both Redden and Gomez. Call it "The Sather Exemption" or something in a MOU.
I would think that as long as both parties are amenable to the buyout, there's no reason for them to delay it until the summer. I understand that the PA was concerned about the market being flooded, and that the $70MM cap number came into play for the league, but if both players want a new chance somewhere else and the team is willing to keep the cap despite that for this season, what's the downside?

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I saw this posted elsewhere:

http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/01/...ez-and-redden/

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So what is the NHLPA going to ask for if they win this grievance? Similar to what would happen in a wrongful termination case, I think that the arbitrator can not even think about ordering that these players rejoin their current teams. Its an untenable situation, they would return to a place where they are clearly not wanted, and will not be given the ice time necessary to “audition” for their next deal. Instead, I think that the NHLPA will ask that Redden and Gomez be paid in full for the 2013 Season, be given their summer buyouts, and be declared immediate free agents, able to look for work with other NHL clubs, or on AHL deals, European deals, or ECHL deals if unable to find a taker in the NHL.
I take that to mean he's saying they'll ask for immediate buyouts instead of waiting until the summer so that they can pursue other work. He also doesn't think the NHLPA has much of a shot at winning though

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I saw this posted elsewhere:

http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/01/...ez-and-redden/



I take that to mean he's saying they'll ask for immediate buyouts instead of waiting until the summer so that they can pursue other work. He also doesn't think the NHLPA has much of a shot at winning though
I don't see what the PA would be mad about. They are two guys not capable of playing in the NHL, signed on massive contracts. Their teams will pay them every cent they are owed, I order to stay home.

Scott Gomez had 13 points in 11 ECHL games. That's all that needs to be said.

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just taking a step back for a second and looking at the big picture - what the hell happened to Glen Sather?? How does a GM go from being completely incompetent handing out truckloads of cash for under-deserving players to assembling a lean crew of stanley cup contending mercenaries at under market prices in a few years? Did he have a lobotomy or something?

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just taking a step back for a second and looking at the big picture - what the hell happened to Glen Sather?? How does a GM go from being completely incompetent handing out truckloads of cash for under-deserving players to assembling a lean crew of stanley cup contending mercenaries at under market prices in a few years? Did he have a lobotomy or something?

People can change damn it!!!


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50/50. No 5% bump. The cap won't jump as much as it did in 2005 CBA.
The midpoint escalator is still in place.

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DZ got $2.2M in 13 and $2.9M in 13-14. From the $5.1M,DZ is getting $4M.

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The midpoint escalator is still in place.
When the CBA was struck,Mirtle tweeted the 5% was still there. No else has reported that.

The MOU discusses how the range will be computed. Formula utilized in the expired CBA. Before the CBA was struck,the NHL didn't want to give the 5% bump. In previous NHL proposals,the NHL didn't include the 5% and mentioned the range will be computed with the existing methodology. Considering how the CBA went down,Bettman probably folded on that. The NHL was willing to use % if revenue reached a certain figure.

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Beginning in 2014/15, and on a going forward basis, the Payroll Range will be calculated as follows:
a) The Midpoint will be calculated in accordance with the formula utilized in the expired CBA,
including with respect to the year-over-year growth factor and using 50% as the applicable
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b) The Upper and Lower Limits will be determined as follows:
• Upper Limit: +15% of the Adjusted Midpoint
• Lower Limit: -15% of the Adjusted Midpoint
• Notwithstanding the foregoing, the Upper Limit shall never fall below $64.3M during the
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$16 million and never rise above $28 million (from Lower Limit to Upper Limit).

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The cap went from $50.3M to $56.7M. Sather had some money to spend. Redden is the one contract he could not move. Sather tried to sign Hossa but he signed with the Wings. Sather gave Rozsival $20M coming off of hip surgery. $39M to Redden. Traded Tyutin to Columbus for Zherdev. Signed Naslund. Redden was on the decline before Sather signed him. Calgary was also interested in Redden. He should have signed with Calgary. Close to home.
I don't really agree that Redden was on the decline, I think he was tremendously overrated during his career. He was never a top 3 D, still many claimed for him to be Norris nominated and Ottawa took him over Chara which was insane.

With that said, getting the "overrated" Redden for 6m per from my perspective is basically what you could expect looking at the market at the time. People are fast to question the sanity behind signing Gomez or Redden and several others, but its not all that easy -- even in hindsight -- to make the right signings. Chara wasn't and option and Timmonen never hit the market. Besides those two, how many "good" UFA D signings have been made the last 7 years?

To some extent, you either made a bad signing or you play those years with alot of capspace available. Or like spend your money on someone like Wolski making a remarkable 4m per... My point is just, if you needed a top 4 D, couldn't fill the need through the farm -- tough luck. And having a hole in your top 4 D is a horrible option. Hence, even if you could just get a solid say top 90 defensemen in the NHL on the UFA market giving up just cap space that you already have -- I don't think that's a horrible decision to make.

I am not a fan of Slats, never have been, never will become, but I wouldn't trash him completely for signing Redden. If Redden had come here and been a decent PPQB scoring 30-35 pts per year (he scored 40-50% more than than that in Ottawa), he is still our highest scoring D and our PP has been short of a PPQB forever.

Facts are that Redden came here and was not able to play with Jaromir Jagr on the PP. People wanted Redden to shoot the puck and Jagr hated D's who shot the puck. That's tough luck, or whatever. After that first half-tough year -- Redden just bombed completely. Thats on him to a big extent too. He had his money in the bank and just didn't give a sheit about his team. 2 goals and like 12 assists in a full season is just not okey. I mean Jason Strudwick gets those numbers too by just putting his skates on the ice, dumping a few pucks on the net and trying to ice the puck.

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just taking a step back for a second and looking at the big picture - what the hell happened to Glen Sather?? How does a GM go from being completely incompetent handing out truckloads of cash for under-deserving players to assembling a lean crew of stanley cup contending mercenaries at under market prices in a few years? Did he have a lobotomy or something?

People can change damn it!!!
The following three reasons will explain the most of it:
1) Henrik Lundqvist

If Lundqvist is of the boards when we make our selection in 00' draft our lives are alot tougher today. He has helped a tremendous amount. We made one of the top 3 maybe selections in the last 20 years in the 7th round, a GM should get credit for draft picks too but there is of course alot of "luck" in a pick like that. No doubt.

Lundqvist had a subpar WJCH's and Rocker saw alot of him when playing for Frölunda's A-juniors, and wanted to take a shot at him.

2) A broken clock is right twice per day

When Renney was here, Brooks predicted us winning a Cup year after year after year. Facts are that we didn't have a good roster. But Slats has been allowed to make high draft picks and collect assets for 13 years now.

John Tortorella just has a good roster on his hand. That roster has been put together by Glen Sather. And it took him 13 tough years to get here. I've followed this team very closely during all those 13 years, and sometimes it sounds like this year has been built the last 3-4 years by amazing work by Slats and Gordon lol. That's extremely far from the truth. Our MVP by a extremely wide margin was picked 13 years ago. Ryan Callahan, our captain was picked 9 years ago. Marc Staal was picked 8 years ago. Renney picked up and molded Dan Girardi 8 years ago. We got McD for a player we signed 6 years ago. We got Rich Nash because of players we picked 9 years ago and 7 years ago. Go up and down our roster, and it orgins from the work of the last 13 years to an extremely large extent.

Brad Richards and Marian Gaborik has had success in NY because they could join a home grown team that could carry goto offensive players. That is really the essential diffrence between these two UFA signings and most UFA signings made from 97'-04'. Alex Kovalev was a star for Pittsburgh but sucked for us. Marian Gaborik has been a star for us, but he would probably have sucked if he played for the 03' Rangers. Or probably, I am 100% sure of it. Horribly constructed teams back then.

The success of this team comes from work done the last 13 years.

IE, Slats has been able to put this team on the ice because he was given 13 years to accomplish it. I don't think we should demand much less to be perfectly honest.

3) We have benefitted tremendously by the 05' CBA.

With little money to work with, players has opted to go to attractive markets. NY is an attractive market. I will admit that having a homegrown team that wasn't a complete mess has also made us more attractive. But no matter what, there is easily 20 teams out there that has not even been in the running for some of the UFA's we signed.

Where are we now if we can't sign;
1. Brendan Shanahan,
2. Marian Gaborik, or
3. Brad Richards,
for example?

This factor shouldn't be underestimated either. Giving kids a good environment to develop in is definitely A and O. Getting Shanny for example was a piece of that puzzle. 20 teams in this league never even had a remote chance at bidding for Shanny because the city alone those teams played in wasn't attractive to him.

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Regarding cap hits to our coming FAs - I did a small "study" here below to study how Sather has dealt with our Homegrown talent. Seems pretty clear, if you play well you triple your money on your second deal (most likely a 2 year deal) to do your "RFA #1 contract diligence" and then you get paid with a longer contract.Only real exception here is Marc Staal that went straight to a bigger deal taking one year of UFA. Methinx (barring unforseen huge development somewhere) that Hagelin, Stepan and Kreider will follow the usual formula but Ryan McD will follow the Marc Staal and get paid/locked up right away in contract 2.

CONTRACTS FOR "HOMEGROWN" NEW YORK RANGERS

PlayerELC yearYears~ NHL salaryRFA #1 yearYears~ NHL salaryMult factorRFA #2 yearYears~ NHL salaryMult factor
Dan Girardi 2006/2007 2 525.000 2008/2009 2 1.550.000 2,95 2010/2011 4 3.250.000 2,10
Ryan Callahan 2006/2007 3 575.000 2009/2010 2 2.300.000 4,00 2011/2012 3 4.275.000 1,86
Brandon Dubinsky 2006/2007 3 633.333 2009/2010 2 1.850.000 2,92 2011/2012 4 4.200.000 2,27
Marc Staal 2007/2008 3 793.333 NONE 0 0 0 2010/2011 5 3.975.000 5,01
Brian Boyle 2007/2008 2 750.000 2009/2010 2 525.000 0,70 2011/2012 3 1.700.000 3,24
Mike Sauer 2007/2008 3 590.000 2010/2011 1 500.000 0,85 2011/2012 2 1.250.000 2,50
Artem Anisimov 2008/2009 3 821.266 2011/2012 2 1.875.000 2,28 2013/2014 GONE GONE GONE
Michael del Zotto 2009/2010 3 875.000 2012/2013 2 2.550.000 2,91 2014/2015 ???? ??
Carl Hagelin 2011/2012 2 662.500 2013/2014 ?? ?? 3,00?? ?? ?? ????
Derek Stepan 2010/2011 3 820.833 2013/2014 ?? ?? 3,00?? ????????
Ryan McDonagh 2010/2011 3 875.000 NONE?? ?? ??NONE?? 2013/2014 ?? ?? 5,00??
Chris Kreider 2011/2012 3 800.000 2014/2015 ?? ?? 3,00?? ?? ?? ?? ??

According to this "principle & logic" - this should also mean:
  • Hagelin signs in 2013 for 2 years for $2M per
  • Stepan signs in 2013 for 2 years for $2,5M per
  • McD signs in 2013 for 5 years for $4,3M per
  • Kreider signs in 2014 for 2 years for $2,4M per

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When the CBA was struck,Mirtle tweeted the 5% was still there. No else has reported that.

The MOU discusses how the range will be computed. Formula utilized in the expired CBA. Before the CBA was struck,the NHL didn't want to give the 5% bump. In previous NHL proposals,the NHL didn't include the 5% and mentioned the range will be computed with the existing methodology. Considering how the CBA went down,Bettman probably folded on that. The NHL was willing to use % if revenue reached a certain figure.
Isn't the year-over-year growth factor the escalator? Pretty sure that's how the BoH guys interpreted it.

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What about this scenario? FLAME AWAY ( just playing around)
On what planet is Setoguchi worth $5 million? He's barely worth the $3 million he's getting paid now.

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