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01-14-2013, 10:09 PM
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If they reverse the decision... we just put Gomez on the roster, consistently scratch him and don't allow him to do any drills in practice.

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01-15-2013, 06:38 AM
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He still just doesn't get it

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Hopefully this 'under review by NHLPA' thing is over soon, and new HFB member g-love11 starts a 'Scott Gomez happy to join HF Boards' thread...



Imagine the fun.

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01-15-2013, 09:07 AM
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The PA wants it both ways. Obviously it was their idea to include the clause in the CBA that says the team can't buyout a player if he's hurt, and now that we don't want him to get hurt so we can buy him out, they're objecting to that too.

He can skate/practice/do whatever he wants, as long as it has nothing to do with the Habs.

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01-15-2013, 09:12 AM
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It was just a matter of time before the NHLPA brings out that argument. And I kind of agree with them. It does hinder Gomez's and Redden's chances of finding another NHL job next season.

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01-15-2013, 09:16 AM
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from what they said on hockeycentral, Montreal has the right to not play him and pay him but they felt he should be allowed to at least skate/practice somewere and so he can keep in shape for the next season
He's not allowed to skate or practice?

Really?

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01-15-2013, 09:20 AM
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He's not allowed to skate or practice?

Really?
They can't be injured at the moment of buying them out or your screwed keeping them

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01-15-2013, 09:28 AM
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They can't be injured at the moment of buying them out or your screwed keeping them
Yeah I know.

But what's he supposed to do stay home and wrap himself up in bubble wrap?

I can see not being able to join a team or whatever, but not being allowed to skate is a bit much.

And even then, you'd think he could sign a waiver or something stating that if he gets injured the buyout still stands.

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01-15-2013, 09:29 AM
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They can't be injured at the moment of buying them out or your screwed keeping them
It's not the end of the world because the salary comes off the cap during IR. Once healed, the buy out can take place.

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01-15-2013, 09:32 AM
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It's not the end of the world because the salary comes off the cap during IR. Once healed, the buy out can take place.
the buyouts have to occur in the summer, and I am sure the NHLPA wasn't stupid enough to not put a deadline date. So if Gomer was hurt until say oct/nov then there is no way to buy him out and not have him count against the cap. That screws the habs cap for 13/14

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the buyouts have to occur in the summer, and I am sure the NHLPA wasn't stupid enough to not put a deadline date. So if Gomer was hurt until say oct/nov then there is no way to buy him out and not have him count against the cap. That screws the habs cap for 13/14
Didn't realize there would be a narrow time window, but it makes sense, I guess. Thanks.

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01-15-2013, 09:52 AM
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It was just a matter of time before the NHLPA brings out that argument. And I kind of agree with them. It does hinder Gomez's and Redden's chances of finding another NHL job next season.
not disagreeing with you but this is the bed the PA made for themselves with putting in the injury clause.

You ask for things and you get them and you live with the consequences they bring forward.

Had the PA allowed the buyouts effective immediately or not put an injury clause, gomer and redden would not be in this sitauation.

Also, had both these players been responsible and played with the same commitment the teams showed them in signing these large contracts there would be no problem and i'm not talking about the cap hits.

A 50pts gomez would get slack for his big contract but not for his play, a 3goal gomez does not deserve top 6 icetime on any team.

If both of them are just not into it anymore and thats why they can no longer play then retire instead of sitting there collecting the big money.

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01-15-2013, 09:53 AM
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If they reverse the decision... we just put Gomez on the roster, consistently scratch him and don't allow him to do any drills in practice.
Still sucks as he would be a distraction and would take up one of 23 roster spots.

He could still get hurt doing cardio work or in the gym.

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If Scott wants to be free to do as he'd like, he's welcome to tear up that contract and become a free agent. I'm sure the Habs would step completely aside.

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What's the original reason for banning buyouts of injured players?

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What's the original reason for banning buyouts of injured players?
It's the PA's interest in protecting the player and his earnings, of course. A company can't fire you for getting hurt while doing your job. Same principle here.

Which I don't have a problem with, but now the PA wants to define to what extent a team is allowed to not risk that player getting injured, when the team is just trying to comply with a rule set out by the PA in the first place? Doesn't seem right to me.

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01-15-2013, 10:10 AM
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not disagreeing with you but this is the bed the PA made for themselves with putting in the injury clause.

You ask for things and you get them and you live with the consequences they bring forward.

Had the PA allowed the buyouts effective immediately or not put an injury clause, gomer and redden would not be in this sitauation.

Also, had both these players been responsible and played with the same commitment the teams showed them in signing these large contracts there would be no problem and i'm not talking about the cap hits.

A 50pts gomez would get slack for his big contract but not for his play, a 3goal gomez does not deserve top 6 icetime on any team.

If both of them are just not into it anymore and thats why they can no longer play then retire instead of sitting there collecting the big money.
Overall I agree with this. If the NHLPA didn't want this to happen they would have thought ahead about it and put a clause in to not allow this to happen to their players.

They didn't want the contract to be buried in the minors - I assume as a deterrent for teams to not send them down in the first place, so they got that. Then they said they can't be bought out if they are injured. Owners simply found a loophole.

But like you said, this wouldn't have been a problem if Gomez would be playing at a 40 or 50 point pace even. People will say that's not his fault, but in the end it is. The only other thing we can do is keep him on our roster at all times this year, but that will be a distraction too.

The players on the team didn't speak out against it, they simply said it's the business side of hockey.

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01-15-2013, 10:16 AM
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If Scott wants to be free to do as he'd like, he's welcome to tear up that contract and become a free agent. I'm sure the Habs would step completely aside.
Yeah that's true.

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Interesting. Considering they're in the same boat, I'm sure it's for both of them.

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NYR, NHL, NHLPA believed discussing scenario under which NYR could exercise compliant buyout on Redden now while retaining AHL cap hit.

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#NHL #NHLPA in serious talks exploring a resolution in #Canadiens Gomez #Rangers Redden situation. Both remain at home uninvited to camp

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I guess same applies to Gomez.

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#CBA #NYR NHL, NHLPA in discussions today to resolve Redden situation, clarity could come soon

https://twitter.com/katiestrangespn/...38749042524160

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01-15-2013, 11:47 AM
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@KatieStrangESPN League should amend amnesty buyout rule. One by the end of the month and one after the season.


-- Probably the best idea I've read so far.
I really don't want Gomez anywhere near the AHL team. Even if injured, he can still be bought out. I don't think it's a good idea to have him there.

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Hearing the #NHL #NHLPA have reached an agreement for compliance buyouts for cases like #Rangers Redden and #Canadiens Gomez. Details2follow

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Hearing the #NHL #NHLPA have reached an agreement for compliance buyouts for cases like #Rangers Redden and #Canadiens Gomez. Details2follow

EDIT: DAMN YOU PYRETTA!!

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It was just a matter of time before the NHLPA brings out that argument. And I kind of agree with them. It does hinder Gomez's and Redden's chances of finding another NHL job next season.
But they will still be getting paid for next season, that is what the buyout is all about. The player gets paid but it doesn't count against the cap. Really, both players could offer their services for the league minimum and still be making more money than most of the players in the league.

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