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01-15-2013, 09:06 AM
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montreal - dallas

hey guys, this is my first time posting so be gentle lol

montreal gives up : P.K. subban and pleks

dalls gives up Jamie benn

thoughts??

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01-15-2013, 09:08 AM
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I would say Dallas would have to include a pretty big + to Benn. Subban is maybe worth a little less than Benn but something would need to be added for the loss of pleks.

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01-15-2013, 09:10 AM
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hey guys, this is my first time posting so be gentle lol

montreal gives up : P.K. subban and pleks

dalls gives up Jamie benn

thoughts??
No way from Montreal... Pleks isn't just a throw-in, he's a 1b/2nd line center.

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Subban is cuter than Benn

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01-15-2013, 09:16 AM
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It is the basis for a trade, but Dallas would have to add something. What kind of defence blue chippers do you guys have? How willing are you to trade a 1st in 2013? Do you have any blue chip LW kids?

Benn and Subban are close with Benn being worth more, but Plekanec needs a decent plus to balance the deal.

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I'd love Benn on the Habs but this is a hell of a price to pay for him, no thanks can't afford to move Pleks at the moment

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ok so how about subban and pleks for benn and ribero??

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That's probably the massive overpayment they need to move Benn, but its horrible for Montreal.

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ok so how about subban and pleks for benn and ribero??
Ribs is in Washington.

EDIT: I would do Subban+Pleks for Benn+Roy+D prospect.

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01-15-2013, 09:26 AM
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Ribs is in Washington.

EDIT: I would do Subban+Pleks for Benn+Roy+D prospect.
sorry didn't know lol

so then what would dallas have to add?

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I understand that Dallas needs good defenseman, but why would they trade their greatest offensive weapon and young rising star to fill that void. Benn is the type of player you start to build your team around.

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I'm pretty sure this has been done to death. Neither team would do it as they value their own player (Benn for Dallas, Subban for Montreal) too highly.

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Benn is a great young player (got him in my fantasy league), but... Habs can't even afford to move Subban for him, let alone both Subban *and* Plekanec. They need a #1 D as much as a #1 C (maybe more), and creating one void to address the other is just lateral in the end. Plus if the Habs have some kind of philosophical hang-up in signing a good young player off an ELC to a long-term deal... well, how do they sign Benn, then?

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Unrealistic for either side and poor value for Montreal. Trades for players at that level don't happen that easily.

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Lol way too much for the guy with two first names, Jamie Benn.

Plekanec by himself puts up similar offensive numbers along with being fantastic defensively. And you want the Habs to add one of the best young defenders in the NHL?

Nice that you're willing to give up Ribeiro from Washington though lol...

Terrible proposal.

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Both teams say no. Dallas has some young D already that are getting close to playing in the NHL, but they have no replacement for Benn. Benn was already moved to center from wing. Habs are better off keeping Subban, and Dallas is better off keeping Benn. Both will resign in time. People need to relax with trying to trade for everyones RFA's

Kulikov will resign first, followed by Benn/Subban, and last ROR

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Benn is a great young player (got him in my fantasy league), but... Habs can't even afford to move Subban for him, let alone both Subban *and* Plekanec. They need a #1 D as much as a #1 C (maybe more), and creating one void to address the other is just lateral in the end. Plus if the Habs have some kind of philosophical hang-up in signing a good young player off an ELC to a long-term deal... well, how do they sign Benn, then?
Easy. Sign him for 6.5-7 million per for the next 7 yrs. You wont be dissapointed.

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I'd love Benn on the Habs but this is a hell of a price to pay for him, no thanks can't afford to move Pleks at the moment
...but Benn replaces Pleks, that's the whole point. I could understand the reticence over having to replace Subban, but Pleks gets replaced by the very player he is begin traded for.

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If I lose subban to Dallas I would want oleksiak to be in the package .. That the only 2 piece I want from Dallas it Benn and oleksiak

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I understand that Dallas needs good defenseman, but why would they trade their greatest offensive weapon and young rising star to fill that void. Benn is the type of player you start to build your team around.
The exact same could be said about Subban. Subban and Benn are pretty much equal value wise, maybe a 2nd or 3rd from Montreal would have to be added to even it out, adding Pleks in there makes it a horrible, horrible overpayment by the habs.

I think in order to get both from the habs something like this would be a good starting point:

To Montreal:

Benn
Smith/Oleksiak
2013 1st

To Dallas

Subban
Plekanec
2013 3rd

The way I see it Subban+2013 3rd=Benn, Smith/Oleksiak+2013 1st=Plekanec. You could argue that it's an overpayment for Plekanec but he's good for between 55-70 points a season while playing just below Selke level defence.

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The exact same could be said about Subban. Subban and Benn are pretty much equal value wise, maybe a 2nd or 3rd from Montreal would have to be added to even it out, adding Pleks in there makes it a horrible, horrible overpayment by the habs.

I think in order to get both from the habs something like this would be a good starting point:

To Montreal:

Benn
Smith/Oleksiak
2013 1st

To Dallas

Subban
Plekanec
2013 3rd

The way I see it Subban+2013 3rd=Benn, Smith/Oleksiak+2013 1st=Plekanec. You could argue that it's an overpayment for Plekanec but he's good for between 55-70 points a season while playing just below Selke level defence.
Im pretty confident Stars are not going to consider trading one of their top prospects and a 1st rounder for a small, 30 year old 2nd line center. They already have one of those(Derek Roy), not going to trade for another one.

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The exact same could be said about Subban. Subban and Benn are pretty much equal value wise, maybe a 2nd or 3rd from Montreal would have to be added to even it out, adding Pleks in there makes it a horrible, horrible overpayment by the habs.

I think in order to get both from the habs something like this would be a good starting point:

To Montreal:

Benn
Smith/Oleksiak
2013 1st

To Dallas

Subban
Plekanec
2013 3rd

The way I see it Subban+2013 3rd=Benn, Smith/Oleksiak+2013 1st=Plekanec. You could argue that it's an overpayment for Plekanec but he's good for between 55-70 points a season while playing just below Selke level defence.


No.

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The exact same could be said about Subban. Subban and Benn are pretty much equal value wise, maybe a 2nd or 3rd from Montreal would have to be added to even it out, adding Pleks in there makes it a horrible, horrible overpayment by the habs.

I think in order to get both from the habs something like this would be a good starting point:

To Montreal:

Benn
Smith/Oleksiak
2013 1st

To Dallas

Subban
Plekanec
2013 3rd

The way I see it Subban+2013 3rd=Benn, Smith/Oleksiak+2013 1st=Plekanec. You could argue that it's an overpayment for Plekanec but he's good for between 55-70 points a season while playing just below Selke level defence.
I would do that, our rebuild would be over by the next draft. We would easily finish last with our D minus Subban so we take Jones and another solid player with the Dallas pick.

Our forwards are all figured out:

Galchenyuk - Benn - Gionta
Pacthes - DD - Cole
Moen - Eller - Prust
White - Noke - Armstrong

And in a couple years we have the biggest D in the league with Tinordi (6'7), Oleksiak (6'7), Jones (6'5), Beaulieau (6'3), to go with Gorges and Emelin.

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01-15-2013, 05:59 PM
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The exact same could be said about Subban. Subban and Benn are pretty much equal value wise, maybe a 2nd or 3rd from Montreal would have to be added to even it out, adding Pleks in there makes it a horrible, horrible overpayment by the habs.

I think in order to get both from the habs something like this would be a good starting point:

To Montreal:

Benn
Smith/Oleksiak
2013 1st

To Dallas

Subban
Plekanec
2013 3rd

The way I see it Subban+2013 3rd=Benn, Smith/Oleksiak+2013 1st=Plekanec. You could argue that it's an overpayment for Plekanec but he's good for between 55-70 points a season while playing just below Selke level defence.
If I were the Dallas GM I think I would puke all over my desk if you offered me that. P.K does not equal Benn and Oleksiak.

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