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01-15-2013, 07:32 AM
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Skating's not the most important factor in the NHL, or else Bouwmeester would be the best defenseman in the league. Honestly you know nothing about hockey, or Gaudreau for that matter. Stop trolling these threads.
It is when you're the size of Gaudreau.Bigger players can get away with mediocre skating not so with little guys.And if you dont know this then you're the one who knows nothing about hockey.It is not the only factor,but it is a major one.The one thing all little guys have in common in the NHL is the ability to skate and skate well.Without it they don't last very long.

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It is when you're the size of Gaudreau.Bigger players can get away with mediocre skating not so with little guys.And if you dont know this then you're the one who knows nothing about hockey.It is not the only factor,but it is a major one.The one thing all little guys have in common in the NHL is the ability to skate and skate well.Without it they don't last very long.
Strength is a major factor, at least in what separates the guys who might make it and the guys who don't. Obviously, if you're 5'7 and you're an average skater you have really no hope in the first place, so in that respect you can say it's the biggest factor perhaps. Really everything is important when we're talking 5'6-5'8. You have to have a loaded toolbox to make up for your height, not only in terms of the game itself but also to ever get a fair chance.

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01-15-2013, 07:54 AM
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It is when you're the size of Gaudreau.Bigger players can get away with mediocre skating not so with little guys.And if you dont know this then you're the one who knows nothing about hockey.It is not the only factor,but it is a major one.The one thing all little guys have in common in the NHL is the ability to skate and skate well.Without it they don't last very long.
Well luckily Gaudreau's not a mediocre skater, and his shifty style is perfect for avoiding bigger players. This poster is perpetuating a myth that Gaudrea is a bad skater, just because he doesn't have explosive acceleration.With his agility and top end speed he's a very good skater. And his speed will improve in time; skating's one of the surest thing to improve when you work at it.

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01-15-2013, 09:17 AM
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Well luckily Gaudreau's not a mediocre skater, and his shifty style is perfect for avoiding bigger players. This poster is perpetuating a myth that Gaudrea is a bad skater, just because he doesn't have explosive acceleration.With his agility and top end speed he's a very good skater. And his speed will improve in time; skating's one of the surest thing to improve when you work at it.
If you're talking about me,that's pure crap.I said no such thing!! I merely pointed out someone of his size has to be a good skater.I defy you to find one single post where I said he was a mediocre skater.In fact I have not commented on his skating ability anywhere.Try taking a reading comprehension course before you make any more comments of your own.

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01-15-2013, 09:23 AM
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Strength is a major factor, at least in what separates the guys who might make it and the guys who don't. Obviously, if you're 5'7 and you're an average skater you have really no hope in the first place, so in that respect you can say it's the biggest factor perhaps. Really everything is important when we're talking 5'6-5'8. You have to have a loaded toolbox to make up for your height, not only in terms of the game itself but also to ever get a fair chance.
I agree totally which is why I said skating is a factor not the only factor.One of the reasons St Louis has survived this long is his strength combined with his skating and skill.He has the total package necessary for a small man to succeed in the NHL.

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Lowerbody strength and balance are major factors. Vision isn't the only thing which seperates Sidney Crosby from other players. His balance and lowerbody strength is exceptional. He can make quality passes in awkward positions and when he is pressured. Makes puck protection much easier.

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Skating's not the most important factor in the NHL, or else Bouwmeester would be the best defenseman in the league. Honestly you know nothing about hockey, or Gaudreau for that matter. Stop trolling these threads.
What someone like yourself doesn't comprehend(must be a stat guy) is that when your 5'7 and 1/2- skating is THE most important factor.

Is this not common knowledge in hockey?


Here let me give you an example in the animal kingdom:

The cheetah is a skilled hunter- but when amongst lions Hyena's or even Leopards- the Cheetah is vulnerable and defenseless - the only way the Cheetah succeeds is if he is faster than any prey animal it chases. If Gaudreau wants to be successful he needs to be a cheetah- or the Lions (Seabrook) or Hyenas (Bieksa) or Leopards (Del Zotto) will easily defeat him.

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What someone like yourself doesn't comprehend(must be a stat guy) is that when your 5'7 and 1/2- skating is THE most important factor.

Is this not common knowledge in hockey?


Here let me give you an example in the animal kingdom:

The cheetah is a skilled hunter- but when amongst lions Hyena's or even Leopards- the Cheetah is vulnerable and defenseless - the only way the Cheetah succeeds is if he is faster than any prey animal it chases. If Gaudreau wants to be successful he needs to be a cheetah- or the Lions (Seabrook) or Hyenas (Bieksa) or Leopards (Del Zotto) will easily defeat him.

Lol


Wow.....you must be an 'animal' guy, because you clearly aren't a hockey guy.

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What an awkward analogy

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When do lions, hyenas, or leopards even fight cheetahs?

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When do lions, hyenas, or leopards even fight cheetahs?
When they try to take the cheetahs food or eat the cheetahs babies. So i guess all those players will be doing that when they try to take the puck away from Gaudreau.

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Soooooo...Gaudreau is a cheetah?

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So does this make Teräväinen a hawk or something

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So does this make Teräväinen a hawk or something
No, he's a peacock. Let him fly!

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What someone like yourself doesn't comprehend(must be a stat guy) is that when your 5'7 and 1/2- skating is THE most important factor.

Is this not common knowledge in hockey?


Here let me give you an example in the animal kingdom:

The cheetah is a skilled hunter- but when amongst lions Hyena's or even Leopards- the Cheetah is vulnerable and defenseless - the only way the Cheetah succeeds is if he is faster than any prey animal it chases. If Gaudreau wants to be successful he needs to be a cheetah- or the Lions (Seabrook) or Hyenas (Bieksa) or Leopards (Del Zotto) will easily defeat him.

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Thank-you so much. I just got back from two painful lectures and needed something to brighten my day. You sir are quite the comedian.

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The cheetah is a skilled hunter- but when amongst lions Hyena's or even Leopards- the Cheetah is vulnerable and defenseless - the only way the Cheetah succeeds is if he is faster than any prey animal it chases.
So the cheetah wins without competition, everyone knows the cheetah is twice as fast as a lion or a leopard

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If you're talking about me,that's pure crap.I said no such thing!! I merely pointed out someone of his size has to be a good skater.I defy you to find one single post where I said he was a mediocre skater.In fact I have not commented on his skating ability anywhere.Try taking a reading comprehension course before you make any more comments of your own.
No I wasn't talking about you. All you had to do is read like 5 posts back and you would have saw that, so don't talk to me about reading comprehension.

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What someone like yourself doesn't comprehend(must be a stat guy) is that when your 5'7 and 1/2- skating is THE most important factor.

Is this not common knowledge in hockey?


Here let me give you an example in the animal kingdom:

The cheetah is a skilled hunter- but when amongst lions Hyena's or even Leopards- the Cheetah is vulnerable and defenseless - the only way the Cheetah succeeds is if he is faster than any prey animal it chases. If Gaudreau wants to be successful he needs to be a cheetah- or the Lions (Seabrook) or Hyenas (Bieksa) or Leopards (Del Zotto) will easily defeat him.

Lol
I'm not a stat guy, I can actually play the game.

I agree that skating is an important factor but what you fail to understand is that there's a lot more to effective skating than acceleration. You act like it's the only thing that matters.

Gaudreau's agility is top notch, which makes him a very good skater. Agility is probably more important than acceleration for a guy like Gaudreau because he quickly uses it to find the empty space and thus is very hard to catch. Quick lateral movement is a lot better than straight line movement because it's shifty and unpredictable.

In a lot of ways, important ways, Gaudreau is actually a better skater than Teravainen. He's like a spider monkey that can jump up a tree at any time and always gets outta the way. Lions can't do **** about that.

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[QUOTE=NightBlazer;57635019]I'm not a stat guy, I can actually play the game.

I agree that skating is an important factor but what you fail to understand is that there's a lot more to effective skating than acceleration. You act like it's the only thing that matters.

Gaudreau's agility is top notch, which makes him a very good skater. Agility is probably more important than acceleration for a guy like Gaudreau because he quickly uses it to find the empty space and thus is very hard to catch. Quick lateral movement is a lot better than straight line movement because it's shifty and unpredictable.

In a lot of ways, important ways, Gaudreau is actually a better skater than Teravainen. He's like a spider monkey that can jump up a tree at any time and always gets outta the way. Lions can't do **** about that.[/


Gaudreau remiss me a lot of Brunette- which is why I dislike his skating so much.

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I'm not a stat guy, I can actually play the game.

I agree that skating is an important factor but what you fail to understand is that there's a lot more to effective skating than acceleration. You act like it's the only thing that matters.

Gaudreau's agility is top notch, which makes him a very good skater. Agility is probably more important than acceleration for a guy like Gaudreau because he quickly uses it to find the empty space and thus is very hard to catch. Quick lateral movement is a lot better than straight line movement because it's shifty and unpredictable.

In a lot of ways, important ways, Gaudreau is actually a better skater than Teravainen. He's like a spider monkey that can jump up a tree at any time and always gets outta the way. Lions can't do **** about that.[/


Gaudreau remiss me a lot of Brunette- which is why I dislike his skating so much.
Yeah. Watching TT he reminds me alot of Rico Fata. All flash no dash.

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[QUOTE=NightBlazer;57635019]I'm not a stat guy, I can actually play the game.

I agree that skating is an important factor but what you fail to understand is that there's a lot more to effective skating than acceleration. You act like it's the only thing that matters.

Gaudreau's agility is top notch, which makes him a very good skater. Agility is probably more important than acceleration for a guy like Gaudreau because he quickly uses it to find the empty space and thus is very hard to catch. Quick lateral movement is a lot better than straight line movement because it's shifty and unpredictable.

In a lot of ways, important ways, Gaudreau is actually a better skater than Teravainen. He's like a spider monkey that can jump up a tree at any time and always gets outta the way. Lions can't do **** about that.[/

Lions wait and stalk their prey they use experience and coordinated attacks to kill almost any animal.
What I mean is experienced NHL defenseman can handle a spider monkey like Johnny- agility will only get you so far-

Gaudreau reminds me a lot of Brunette- which is why I dislike his skating so much.

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Thank-you so much. I just got back from two painful lectures and needed something to brighten my day. You sir are quite the comedian.
No problem, nice to see someone appreciates things

Rather than be like "OMG you don't know hockey"

Which I do, and have played and have watched since the Roenick era in CHI-Town

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You know, I know a lot of people are bearish on Flames prospects, myself included, but I feel as if we can grab a hippopotamus and wildebeest in the first 3 rounds and at least one porcupine and wolverine in the last half of the draft, our prospect stable will be more competitive.

I would take elite smarts, instinct (animal or otherwise), deception, and lateral agility over elite speed. Or else (for a better analogy) the NFL draft would be based off of 40-times, which it is not. They are important but there are other less quantifiable factors that matter more, especially when combined.

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I think we can all agree on the kind of player we're really looking to draft.


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You know, I know a lot of people are bearish on Flames prospects, myself included, but I feel as if we can grab a hippopotamus and wildebeest in the first 3 rounds and at least one porcupine and wolverine in the last half of the draft, our prospect stable will be more competitive.

I would take elite smarts, instinct (animal or otherwise), deception, and lateral agility over elite speed. Or else (for a better analogy) the NFL draft would be based off of 40-times, which it is not. They are important but there are other less quantifiable factors that matter more, especially when combined.
With kind of Player is a porcupine? Is Wellwood a hippo?

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