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01-15-2013, 12:21 PM
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This is the kind of thing that comes with being a contender, limited space on a good roster means that things like this are going to happen. Situations like this are why there are rules in place to give guys a chance to make the NHL rather than be buried in the minors forever.


You can debate Hickey's draft spot til the cows come home, but it's not exactly fair to rip asset management here. Maybe there was interest in Hickey, but if you are the NYI and 4th in waiver order, there is no reason to trade when you have a great chance of getting him for free. I find it hard to believe that Hickey hasn't been shopped around for quite a while now. DL has always done a great job trying to accommodate players (Smyth, Westgarth) and I'm sure he was doing the same thing for Hickey as the writing was on the wall.

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01-15-2013, 12:21 PM
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I just love it.

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01-15-2013, 12:23 PM
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Moulson and Purcell come to mind.
Purcell is one thing, but Moulson ended up signing a 1 year, 2-way free agent contract with the worst team in the league. It was basically a tryout with the Islanders. If anyone had seen multiple 30+ goal season Matt Moulson coming, I'm sure a better team than the Islanders would've given him a much better deal.

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01-15-2013, 12:26 PM
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My thing is I don't understand the Love for Muzzin.
This! A thousand times this!

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01-15-2013, 12:27 PM
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I just love it.
The reaction of everyone at the draft party was priceless. The selection was met by collective silence. That was the first draft Lombardi conducted with his newly formed scouting staff, and it showed there when they reached too far to get a player they liked who could have been available much later.

Thankfully, they made up for it with their later picks in that draft, coming away with Simmonds, Martinez, and King.

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01-15-2013, 12:28 PM
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This! A thousand times this!
I just don't get it, are they that in love with his size ? The guy is a turnover machine. Also he is not exactly physical for being that big.

I guess the upside is...he is young(23)

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01-15-2013, 12:32 PM
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So because my 'stamping' over it won't do anything I should just leave it be? Get off your high horse.

Explain how he blatantly underperformed? Ever Manchester watchers says he was the best D-man in Manchester this year. That's a defense that including Voynov btw, and no one here would dare suggest Voynov be waived. Additionally, many posters have commented the past few training camps that Hickey was exceedingly close to making the Kings line up, and IMO the lone reason he didn't beat out Voynov last year was due to Hickey having a higher cap hit at a time when we were very tight against the cap ceiling, thanks to the signings of Trent Hunter and Ethan Moreau.

Many people on this board, especially those who watch Hickey play, have said the kid would be an NHL regular on many other NHL rosters, just that we are so deep that we don't have room for him. Similar to Kyle Quincey from Detroit a few years back. Was he worth nothing as well? Seems like he's fecthed a nice return in some tardes he's been involved in since we claimed in on waivers.

If you want to talk about this team forcing themselves into a decision which could hurt them, look at their desire to cookie cut certain roles for certain players, such as what looks like Muzzin in as the 6th D-man (barring a tarde) despite the claims of many that the last good pass he made was the bread at supper.

DL and Co have a desire to over develop players, which is fine, as theya re ready to step in when needed, such as King last year and A-Mart and Voynov as well. The problem is they also will pass over good prospects without giving them a chance to see what they can do in a role that maybe isn't geared 100% towards them, such as Holloway and now Hickey.
You are projecting a false sense of value on a player based on what "people on this board" have said about watching a few games in Manchester. Be thankful we are in the same position that Detroit was. It is the common nature of being a contender, we're just not used to it and are overreacting.

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01-15-2013, 12:36 PM
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Whatever, we should have taken Alzner, we didn't. Now after 6 years we can stop lamenting that pick and close the book on Hickey. Hope he gets a chance to play in NY as he wasn't going to get one here.

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01-15-2013, 12:37 PM
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You are projecting a false sense of value on a player based on what "people on this board" have said about watching a few games in Manchester. Be thankful we are in the same position that Detroit was. It is the common nature of being a contender, we're just not used to it and are overreacting.
MMm no , Detroit is a powerhouse of Hockey. The Kings have won a Single Cup in 45 years of embarrassing hockey outside of a few years.

Lets not get ahead of ourselves chief . The Kings are going to have show more.

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You know that team in Detroit lost Kyle Quincey a few years ago to keep an aging Chelios on the roster (if I remember correctly). Two years later they had to trade a first rounder to get him back. I can't imagine DL didn't at least try to move him for a pick before waiving him. The bottom line is there is/was no spot for Hickey at the moment so I don't think DL had any other options. Obviously they didn't have faith that he could outperform Martinez or Voynov and he wasn't going to fill Mitchell's role. Muzzin I guess is more likely to grow into that role so I guess that is why they held onto him.

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01-15-2013, 12:40 PM
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MMm no , Detroit is a powerhouse of Hockey. The Kings have won a Single Cup in 45 years of embarrassing hockey outside of a few years.

Lets not get ahead of ourselves chief . The Kings are going to have show more.
Detriot =/= LA in terms of success but there is definitely a parralel in terms of roster space and need. They have no room for him and by not giving him a shot, that should tell you what kind of faith management (the one that assembled a SC winning roster) had in him.

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MMm no , Detroit is a powerhouse of Hockey. The Kings have won a Single Cup in 45 years of embarrassing hockey outside of a few years.

Lets not get ahead of ourselves chief . The Kings are going to have show more.
Of course I am not comparing the Kings to the legacy of Detroit, but specifically to the post I quoted that compared the Hickey situation with Quincey's... Having the defensive depth to let a player like that go, and having to because there isn't enough interest or value to be had around the league. The nature of a contender.

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01-15-2013, 12:41 PM
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I guess they just figured Muzzin had better long term potential. Despite Muzzin's struggles of late, he has had some pretty good seasons and looked quite promising when he played on the Kings a few years back. Hell, in the 10-11 season he had 18 points in 45 games and was a +20 in the AHL as a rookie. Just because he's having a tough time now doesn't mean he's never gonna amount to anything.

edit: And let's not forget that if they decide to assign Muzzin to Manchester after camp or when Mitchell comes back he's gonna have to pass through waivers as well. So in the end we might lose both.

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01-15-2013, 12:47 PM
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I guess they just figured Muzzin had better long term potential. Despite Muzzin's struggles of late, he has had some pretty good seasons and looked quite promising when he played on the Kings a few years back. Hell, in the 10-11 season he had 18 points in 45 games and was a +20 in the AHL as a rookie. Just because he's having a tough time now doesn't mean he's never gonna amount to anything.

edit: And let's not forget that if they decide to assign Muzzin to Manchester after camp or when Mitchell comes back he's gonna have to pass through waivers as well. So in the end we might lose both.
Most likely will.

I think Forbort is Mitchell's replacement. Forbort can actually play like Mitchell.

I think Mitchell is close to retirement. It will be two years in a row now he has missed significant time with injuries.

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01-15-2013, 12:50 PM
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With Quincey:

Detroit traded him to Dallas. He failed the physical. The Kings then picked him up on waivers.
Not the same situation as Hickey

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The reaction of everyone at the draft party was priceless. The selection was met by collective silence. That was the first draft Lombardi conducted with his newly formed scouting staff, and it showed there when they reached too far to get a player they liked who could have been available much later.

Thankfully, they made up for it with their later picks in that draft, coming away with Simmonds, Martinez, and King.
Simmonds was more of a reach than Hickey by far. None of the drafting services even had him on the board through 7 rounds. King was a bit of a reach as well. Those 2 worked out great!

So they lost with Hickey? 3 roster players out of a draft is still a tremendous success.

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How you play at the AHL level doesn't always translate to the NHL level. Sometimes it does. Sometimes the play of a player in the AHL is exceeded by what he does in the NHL. Sometimes it's the opposite.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/bio/?id=1791

Twice a first team AHL all-star. Twice the best goaltender in the AHL. Once the AHL MVP. A backup at best in the NHL.

Hickey may have been playing well in Manchester, I honestly have no idea, just going by what people who have seen him say. He may be a late bloomer. Finally gets a chance in the NHL, and maybe he runs with it. If so, tip your cap to him. He could also just be a good AHL player.

If there was a market for Hickey today, Lombardi would've traded him. 3 years from now Hickey might be a top 4 defenseman, but that does nothing for Lombardi now if nobody really wants him all that much.

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Kings lost Westgarth, Hickey and Clune. AHL is depleted in toughness and skill on the backend with Voynov, Muzzin, Hickey and Bodnarchuk leaving and Clune, King, Nolan up front.

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Kings lost Westgarth, Hickey and Clune. AHL is depleted in toughness and skill on the backend with Voynov, Muzzin, Hickey and Bodnarchuk leaving and Clune, King, Nolan up front.
Correct.

Manchester is going to be hurting, Muzzin and Bodnarchuck most likely won't make it back either. They both have to clear waivers if sent down.

I could see both of them getting claimed. The Kings can't be the only one's in love with Muzzin's size. Bodnarchuck would be a decent waiver pickup.

I think Dean's hand is going to be forced into a trade for a Defensive player.

Look to trade Loki, Richardson, Picks. Then cross your fingers and waive Muzzin/Bodnarchuck.


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So I think we all know what Lombardi is going to be picking in this draft....LOL

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Happy for Hickey and Clune since they'll get pt now but man this sucks for our depth.

Manchester is soft as bitter and has no skill on the backend. If Bodnarchuk outplays Muzzin like I forsee him doing so, the Kings will waive Muzzin and have no d depth when he's likely claimed.

Doughty
Scuderi
Martinez
Voynov
Greene
Drewiske
Bodnarchuk
Deslauriers
Kolomatis

That's horrible depth.

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Happy for Hickey and Clune since they'll get pt now but man this sucks for our depth.

Manchester is soft as bitter and has no skill on the backend. If Bodnarchuk outplays Muzzin like I forsee him doing so, the Kings will waive Muzzin and have no d depth when he's likely claimed.

Doughty
Scuderi
Martinez
Voynov
Greene
Drewiske
Bodnarchuk
Deslauriers
Kolomatis

That's horrible depth.
Lombardi and staff will draft heavy D probably this year. Lets hope the D stays healthy.

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You are projecting a false sense of value on a player based on what "people on this board" have said about watching a few games in Manchester. Be thankful we are in the same position that Detroit was. It is the common nature of being a contender, we're just not used to it and are overreacting.
At least I'm basing it off of first hand accounts of his play, rather than just doing the 'In Dean We trust' mantra.

And as if Detroit wouldn't have loved to have that waiver mistake back. It ended up costing the their own first round pick a few year later and gave a conference rival a good asset to work with.

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You know that team in Detroit lost Kyle Quincey a few years ago to keep an aging Chelios on the roster (if I remember correctly). Two years later they had to trade a first rounder to get him back. I can't imagine DL didn't at least try to move him for a pick before waiving him. The bottom line is there is/was no spot for Hickey at the moment so I don't think DL had any other options. Obviously they didn't have faith that he could outperform Martinez or Voynov and he wasn't going to fill Mitchell's role. Muzzin I guess is more likely to grow into that role so I guess that is why they held onto him.
I honestly do not know, so someone please explain if they do... why could we not just keep Hickey AND Muzzin on the pro roster? Did we not have the roster space? We have the cap room to do it.

I'm sure in a week or two, when the regular season gets going and some D-man gets hurt or someones D starts looking bad, Hickey could have had at least the value of a 3rd or so at that point. Why didn't we just keep him, or did we not have any roster spots left?

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Lombardi and staff will draft heavy D probably this year. Lets hope the D stays healthy.
This will have no impact on what the Kings do at the draft. Anyone they draft is likely 3 years away from the NHL anyways, especially since we don't even have a 1st this year. Besides, we have Campbell, Kolomatis, Deslauriers on the farm, Gravel and Forbort coming into the system in the enxt 18 months and we have drafted three blueliners in the last draft, one of which (Miller) will be turning pro within 18 months as well due to being overage when we drafted him.

If this dictates anything for DL, it might mean he takes a shot at a college UFA D-man, though he hasn't had much luck with those type of players in the past.

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