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01-15-2013, 01:04 PM
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Dat draft class!

Frederik Gauthier is probably the least talked about kid ranked in the 1st round. Anyone seen him play? Whats his style?
How long is it until we decide this is a weak draft class?

I mean, how long until Brian Burke decides this is a bad draft class.

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01-15-2013, 01:06 PM
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A little surprised Kujawinski is so low. I know he got off to a bad start offensively this season, but he's turned it around and is starting to look like the player I thought we'd see coming in to the season.

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01-15-2013, 01:20 PM
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Usually first eligible players playing even 9 games in the SEL are ranked a lot higher.
Not really. Boyce-Rotevall played 33 games and wasn't drafted.
Victor Berglind played 18 games (before his draft year?) and wasn't drafted.
At the same time some players get drafted straight out of juniors.
The scouts are looking at a lot more than just games played.

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01-15-2013, 01:34 PM
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With 9 games? Not high.
Most of the others in 10 top havent played a single SEL game.. unbelievable..


Playing in the SEL at the age of 17, usually makes you a 1st round pick, or early 2nd...

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01-15-2013, 01:35 PM
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Not really. Boyce-Rotevall played 33 games and wasn't drafted.
Victor Berglind played 18 games (before his draft year?) and wasn't drafted.
At the same time some players get drafted straight out of juniors.
The scouts are looking at a lot more than just games played.
When you play in the SEL at the age of 17, you are usually something special. A standout in your age group.

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01-15-2013, 01:42 PM
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Really don't understand why CSS has such a hate for the small goal scoring forwards who CAN put the puck in the net. Seen it back in 2010 where Jeff Skinner was always low in the CSS lists and was the #34 NA skater in the final rankings. We all know what happened there.

So why the hate for Domi? I wouldn't even call 5'10" 190 lbs small at all, but Domi really knows how to put the puck in the net and create offense. Sure there are some scouts that don't think his game will translate to the next level but Domi is as hard of a worker there is in this draft class and he has adapted to competition everywhere he's played so far. I would have Domi as a shoe in top 15 pick at least.
I agree. He is an Ennis replica, only much bigger and further along in development when both were at his age. Filthy hands, quick, great foot speed, smart, sturdy. Domi is a great player.

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01-15-2013, 02:18 PM
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Well every team does their HT/WT stats at the start of the year and Domi is listed at 194 lbs. Don't know how you would know what he weights unless you privately weighed him yourself. He's a bulky kid.
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the teams always exaggerate players' weights on their websites. Have you ever seen him? He's not 194
Hi guys,

Domi was weighed by NHL Central Scouting at the Top Prospects Game yesterday (January 14th). I have the results in front of me right now and as of yesterday, he was measured to be 5'9 and 197 lbs. I hope this helps solve the question.

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Not really. Boyce-Rotevall played 33 games and wasn't drafted.
Victor Berglind played 18 games (before his draft year?) and wasn't drafted.
At the same time some players get drafted straight out of juniors.
The scouts are looking at a lot more than just games played.
These are exceptions to the rule, I didn't say they always get drafted or ranked high. Generally if you play games in the SEL (especially if you're an U18 player) as a first-time eligible you are ranked pretty high.

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Mirco Mueller?
Blatant plug, but I spoke with Mueller yesterday and you should be able to read all about him later today on Hockey's Future.

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Dominik Kahun and Frederik Tiffels not on the list is ridiculous. Cammarata also should be included.
Zadorov at #30 , Martin at #5G is a complete joke

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Hi guys,

Domi was weighed by NHL Central Scouting at the Top Prospects Game yesterday (January 14th). I have the results in front of me right now and as of yesterday, he was measured to be 5'9 and 197 lbs. I hope this helps solve the question.
He inherited the 'Domi head' from his dad. It's reinforced cement and weighs 40 lbs.

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Does anyone have any knowledge about Teemu Kivihalme, a finnish defenseman playing highschool hockey in Minnesota? I was surprised to see him ranked 75th, he's ahead of some pretty big names.

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=141072
http://www.mnhockeyhub.com/roster_pl...ubseason=79765

According to the Minnesota based site he's 6'1, 170 lbs.

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How long is it until we decide this is a weak draft class?

I mean, how long until Brian Burke decides this is a bad draft class.
That won't happen because the progression of the players this year vs. last year is pretty much the complete opposite.
Everyone has been relatively healthy, many are progressing steadily or ahead of their expected curve, and there are plenty of surprises too.
Last year, it seemed like everyone had something ailing them, many progressed negatively, and no one really stepped into the places of the ones that fell off the map.

I think the large number of overage players (aka players going through their second year of eligibility or beyond) taken last year speaks for itself.

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Hi guys,

Domi was weighed by NHL Central Scouting at the Top Prospects Game yesterday (January 14th). I have the results in front of me right now and as of yesterday, he was measured to be 5'9 and 197 lbs. I hope this helps solve the question.
Are those numbers published anywhere and if they aren't, would you mind sharing them?

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Are those numbers published anywhere and if they aren't, would you mind sharing them?
I'll try to type them up later. Players who did not get measured are Dauphin, Monahan, Lazar and Theodore.

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Does anyone have any knowledge about Teemu Kivihalme, a finnish defenseman playing highschool hockey in Minnesota? I was surprised to see him ranked 75th, he's ahead of some pretty big names.

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=141072
http://www.mnhockeyhub.com/roster_pl...ubseason=79765

According to the Minnesota based site he's 6'1, 170 lbs.
He's well regarded in US hockey circles so it's not a huge surprise to see him ranked where he is. He's supposed to be a great skater with some good offensive potential.

He's a dual-citizen who played for the US at the U18 Ivan Hlinka tournament last summer. At the time it looked like he was committed to the US program going forward, though I'm not sure he'd meet IIHF eligibility requirements to play for Finland anyway.

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I'll try to type them up later. Players who did not get measured are Dauphin, Monahan, Lazar and Theodore.
Thanks, it's much appreciated since the public doesn't even officially get the CSS measurements anymore.

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Hi guys,

Domi was weighed by NHL Central Scouting at the Top Prospects Game yesterday (January 14th). I have the results in front of me right now and as of yesterday, he was measured to be 5'9 and 197 lbs. I hope this helps solve the question.
i find that shocking (i don't mean i doubt you)...i would have guessed around 175

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I'll try to type them up later. Players who did not get measured are Dauphin, Monahan, Lazar and Theodore.
why were some not measured?

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He's well regarded in US hockey circles so it's not a huge surprise to see him ranked where he is. He's supposed to be a great skater with some good offensive potential.

He's a dual-citizen who played for the US at the U18 Ivan Hlinka tournament last summer. At the time it looked like he was committed to the US program going forward, though I'm not sure he'd meet IIHF eligibility requirements to play for Finland anyway.
I didn't know he played for the US, he has also played a couple games for finnish NT in some tournament. I believe the Ivan Hlinka tournament isn't an official IIFH tournament, meaning that he can still play for Finland if he so wishes. I wouldn't be surprised though if Finnish hockey federation doesn't even make a real effort to getting him play for Finland, they're usually very passive regarding players playing overseas.

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why were some not measured?
There were some issues with flights (fog in Halifax caused some delays with planes landing) and so a lot of players didn't get in until late last night (that was the case for Monahan, Lazar and Theodore).

In Dauphin's case, I don't believe he came in until today as the call on Shinkaruk didn't happen until yesterday. I'm not 100% sure if Dauphin even participated in the testing today (I watched some of Team Orr's testing, but don't recall seeing him out there or hearing his name).

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the teams always exaggerate players' weights on their websites. Have you ever seen him? He's not 194
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Hi guys,

Domi was weighed by NHL Central Scouting at the Top Prospects Game yesterday (January 14th). I have the results in front of me right now and as of yesterday, he was measured to be 5'9 and 197 lbs. I hope this helps solve the question.
Well there it is, Domi is listed even higher than I previously thought. Thanks for the clarification Kevin.

Also think Canada has 3 stellar goaltender prospects in Fucale, Martin and Comrie. I have had several viewings of Martin and he has been outstanding at times. Limited viewings of the other two but I wouldn't mind my team taking Martin in the 1st round.


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Wow didnít even realize that Domi was at 23.. hahahha If the leafs get him with a 2nd i'd be absolutely ecstatic

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I didn't know he played for the US, he has also played a couple games for finnish NT in some tournament. I believe the Ivan Hlinka tournament isn't an official IIFH tournament, meaning that he can still play for Finland if he so wishes. I wouldn't be surprised though if Finnish hockey federation doesn't even make a real effort to getting him play for Finland, they're usually very passive regarding players playing overseas.
The issue with him playing for Finland is that I'm pretty positive he's played all his hockey in the US. The IIHF eligibility rules would require that he live and play in Finland for two consecutive years before becoming eligible to play for them in an IIHF tournament. Even if he moved there today he'd never be eligible for a Finnish junior team in an IIHF tournament as he wouldn't qualify until after the 2015 World Juniors were already over.

It's not impossible that he could play for Finland in the future but at this point it looks improbable.

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Does anyone have any knowledge about Teemu Kivihalme, a finnish defenseman playing highschool hockey in Minnesota? I was surprised to see him ranked 75th, he's ahead of some pretty big names.

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=141072
http://www.mnhockeyhub.com/roster_pl...ubseason=79765

According to the Minnesota based site he's 6'1, 170 lbs.

Graceful skater, natural puck mover. He's at his best when he plays within himself; intelligent player. To be honest he hasn't taken as big a step as I thought he would.

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On euro list have no idea why some guysare so low. Like Krupic, Wallmark, Possler.

On NA list Zadorov seems low. The I had trouble finding Martin Reway. Finally found him around 180, where he was, ranked below some guy named Bryukvin who has 5 pts in the Q this season, while Reway is over PPG.

Axel Blomqvist was found near Reway.

Also, on euro list, are there really 20 prospects better than Crus-Rydberg? and where's Zhafyarov?

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