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01-15-2013, 02:07 PM
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No, what's ******** is making buried contracts that were signed pre-2013-CBA count against the cap.
Redden should have been grandfathered in. Though if they open up the buyout window now, this is the best case for both parties.

Redden being bought out w a chance to sign elsewhere > Redden playing in the AHL > Redden being paid to sit at home.

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So you think the Rangers, who have managed to skirt the issue of cap circumvention with the burying of Redden on the Whale for the last few years, should be able to now buy him out and have him gone and still have no repercussions for having signed the player to an astronomically bad contract?
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01-15-2013, 02:09 PM
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Each team is still permitted only 2 compliance buyouts, either before Saturday or in summers of 2013 or 2014.
The summer 2014 buyout period still exists for all teams. I see some people posting to the contrary. For example, the Habs can buy out Gomez today--albeit he'll have to be on their cap for the rest of their season, but not next year--choose to buy out nobody in summer 2013, and then use their second compliance buyout in summer 2014.

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So do the Isles start thinking about Dipietro? As i understand it accordin to capgeek they owe him $40.5m over next 9 years. At 2/3 that, spread out over 18 (2x length) years they would pay him $1.5 a year.

$4.5 comes off the cap after this season for 8 years.

I think it is a no brainer....

Oh yeah, and the leafs can get another has been without the price tag attached that Luongo has.

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How funny would it be if MTL and NY chose not to buy them out under these new stipulations. Just let them rot at home anyway

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So do the Isles start thinking about Dipietro? As i understand it accordin to capgeek they owe him $40.5m over next 9 years. At 2/3 that, spread out over 18 (2x length) years they would pay him $1.5 a year.

$4.5 comes off the cap after this season for 8 years.

I think it is a no brainer....
Is he healthy?

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Had to know that the large market teams would be heard from in these fine negotiations.

to funny.
You know this does not change anything for your Rags right?
Oh yeah and you're taking his cap hit for a year no matter when you buy him out.

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You know this does not change anything for your Rags right?
Oh yeah and you're taking his cap hit for a year no matter when you buy him out.
By year you mean, the next 48 games right?

And we still have over 3 million to spend.

What's your point?

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01-15-2013, 02:13 PM
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Is he healthy?
Who knows, he seems to hurt it walking across the lockerroom. If he is still hurt, probably cant be done.


Last edited by Ghost of Dale Hunter: 01-15-2013 at 02:14 PM. Reason: **** just read on ESPN that he "is ready to go" take that for what it is worth?
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Edit: I just saw the above post from MacKenzie... why would any team do it in that case? Gotta pay the player his full salary and he can go to a competitor.
Because if he practices or plays at any level he could get injured (which would make him ineligible for buyout), and if he doesn't practice or play the PA will file a grievance for him being denied the opportunity despite having done no wrong.

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So do the Isles start thinking about Dipietro? As i understand it accordin to capgeek they owe him $40.5m over next 9 years. At 2/3 that, spread out over 18 (2x length) years they would pay him $1.5 a year.

$4.5 comes off the cap after this season for 8 years.

I think it is a no brainer....

Oh yeah, and the leafs can get another has been without the price tag attached that Luongo has.
Not really a no-brainer when the team needs his salary on the books to reach the floor.

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Redden should have been grandfathered in. Though if they open up the buyout window now, this is the best case for both parties.

Redden being bought out w a chance to sign elsewhere > Redden playing in the AHL > Redden being paid to sit at home.
Of course.

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#CBA Players like Redden/Gomez will not become UFAs until team waives them and they clear waivers

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Same thing, as in the situation as a whole. Still think it's crazy to complain about a circumvention that was basically built into the CBA.
So then you think the front loading of contracts shouldnt be complained about, since that was not illegal in the previous CBA? Its not in the nature of the business. "Oh i want this shiny new toy, ill pay more than anyone for more years...meh, its not that good, throw it in the back room" Thats how Sather used to handle UFAs and thats not right. Redden was not a 6.5 mil, first pair dman, but he wasnt an AHLer either.

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So then you think the front loading of contracts shouldnt be complained about, since that was not illegal in the previous CBA? Its not in the nature of the business. "Oh i want this shiny new toy, ill pay more than anyone for more years...meh, its not that good, throw it in the back room" Thats how Sather used to handle UFAs and thats not right. Redden was not a 6.5 mil, first pair dman, but he wasnt an AHLer either.
Clearly you didn't see him play for the Rangers. He was not a top 7 d-man on this team. What else does that make him? It makes him a #8. That puts him in the AHL. So yes -- he was an AHL d-man.

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Clearly you didn't see him play for the Rangers. He was not a top 7 d-man on this team. What else does that make him? It makes him a #8. That puts him in the AHL. So yes -- he was an AHL d-man.
To be fair, if he made the same amount of money as Bickel or Matt ****ing Gilroy, you don't think he would be playing over one of them?

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They will hit waivers at their full contracts right?


I guarantee Gomez picks up the phone and calls Mr Lamoriello immediately.

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They will hit waivers at their full contracts right?


I guarantee Gomez picks up the phone and calls Mr Lamoriello immediately.
Then you'd be wrong. It will be his agent.

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My guess, Gomez end up in New Jersey, Pheonix or Chicago

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You know this does not change anything for your Rags right?
Oh yeah and you're taking his cap hit for a year no matter when you buy him out.
Without everyone getting all butt-hurt about this - this change does very little to help the NHL organizations, and the real benefit are the players impacted.

(I said very little, because the organization does get to save 1/3 of the cash due to the player for the shortened 2012-13 season. I think Redden was scheduled to make $6.5M, which gets reduced to $3.8M for 48 games. 1/3 of the $3.8M would be $2.6M, so the "early" buy out would probably save the Rangers about $1.2M of cash, even if they still have the full $5.6M of cap hit on the roster for 2012-13.

This benefits the players, by letting them try to hook up with another team and play immediately. Good for the NHL to be flexible and allowing this to happen.

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To be fair, if he made the same amount of money as Bickel or Matt ****ing Gilroy, you don't think he would be playing over one of them?
It's debatable. He was mediocre in the AHL. Depends on what the team wanted. Bickel at least gave a real physical presence.

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Then you'd be wrong. It will be his agent.
Yeah right.... I can see it now though

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I feel like the thread title should be changed, since it's not limited to Gomez and Redden. They're probably the only two that will be affected, but it's open to all teams and players.

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To be fair, if he made the same amount of money as Bickel or Matt ****ing Gilroy, you don't think he would be playing over one of them?
I honestly do not think he would.

That was how bad Redden played for the Rangers the 2 years he was on the parent club.

His skating was no better than Bickel, his offence had disappeared and his compete level was nil.

Redden was helped immensely by the forwards holding up the forwards in the neutral zone prior to the last lockout and once we got back to playing again, he was exposed as a very slow footed poor positioned defenceman with no physicality to compensate for it.

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