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01-15-2013, 02:25 PM
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Because they are already making a special exemption to the new CBA.
They don't need to make any further exemptions, the new CBA already says that the full cap hit(minus 900k) applies to any player NOT ON YOUR ROSTER(ie burried AHL), so those guys would fall under that by default.

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01-15-2013, 02:26 PM
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Pretty ridiculous that any of the cap hit is staying if the players are being allowed to play elsewhere.
At the very least, we should at least get the $900k cushion we were going to get by sitting him out under the old rules.

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01-15-2013, 02:26 PM
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He could simply make him a healthy scratch and play him like 1 game or 2... I don't get it.

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That would be pretty classless imo. He would look like a dick. The PA fought for the players and the GM denies the opportunity. As a new GM, doubt Bergevin makes that call.
I agree it would be classless but it's still business. Other than Gomez and Redden getting a chance to play elsewhere I see no benefit why the Rangers or Habs would do this early buyout.

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I really don't see the logic either. Makes not much sense for a team to make this move.
Why not? What's the benefit to sending a player home and just waiting for the summer? In that scenario a player could injure himself falling down the stairs or slipping on some ice. This way it is official, over and done with and the team and player can move on. Seems like the best way to go.

Cap hit and salary paid out are the same for the team in both situations.

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01-15-2013, 02:28 PM
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Told that Bost, Tor, Fla, Ott have expressed at least preliminary interest in Redden..

Go to Boston Redden. Chara-Redden of old school

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01-15-2013, 02:29 PM
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Why not? What's the benefit to sending a player home and just waiting for the summer? In that scenario a player could injure himself falling down the stairs or slipping on some ice. This way it is official, over and done with and the team and player can move on. Seems like the best way to go.

Cap hit and salary paid out are the same for the team in both situations.
If the player is hurt at home they don't have to pay him.

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Why not? What's the benefit to sending a player home and just waiting for the summer? In that scenario a player could injure himself falling down the stairs or slipping on some ice. This way it is official, over and done with and the team and player can move on. Seems like the best way to go.

Cap hit and salary paid out are the same for the team in both situations.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't it only apply if he gets hurt on the ice in a game?

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01-15-2013, 02:31 PM
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Wonder what the actual members of the habs would feel like if their management team denied Gomez this opportunity? Anyway you slice it, in terms of reputation, it looks bad keeping Gomez.

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01-15-2013, 02:32 PM
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That rule is all for the players. Habs end up with 7.xM on their cap and they have Gomez scoring goals (lol) for a competitor. Only reason they would do it is out of "respect" for Gomez and his career.

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What is the benefit you ask? Elliot freidman nailed it

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One benefit to NYR, MON or anyone else who uses this buyout: frees up a spot on reserve list. Each team has a 50-contract limit.

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should we sign redden?

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That rule is all for the players. Habs end up with 7.xM on their cap and they have Gomez scoring goals (lol) for a competitor. Only reason they would do it is out of "respect" for Gomez and his career.
Well, that and not pissing off the PA. Not like the habs need any more trouble signing quality UFA's.

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That rule is all for the players. Habs end up with 7.xM on their cap and they have Gomez scoring goals (lol) for a competitor. Only reason they would do it is out of "respect" for Gomez and his career.
6.45 mil cap hit

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01-15-2013, 02:33 PM
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6.45 mil cap hit
No. It has been said by Lebrun, team eats up the entire 7.3 cap hit from Gomez this year.

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So each Club can accelerate one compliance buy-out and complete it by the end of the week. Full cap charge for this year for the Club

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Note on new compliance buyout agreement. Player consent needed to buy player out and player cap hit must be 3M+ Next summer reg rules apply

Gomez could refuse.

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01-15-2013, 02:42 PM
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Note on new compliance buyout agreement. Player consent needed to buy player out and player cap hit must be 3M+ Next summer reg rules apply

Gomez could refuse.
Then he sits at home for the year.

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01-15-2013, 02:44 PM
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So if we do the accelerated buy out on gomez, does that mean that his cap hit is instantaneously removed for next year? Wouldn't that have some impact on current negotiations with subban?

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No. It has been said by Lebrun, team eats up the entire 7.3 cap hit from Gomez this year.

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So each Club can accelerate one compliance buy-out and complete it by the end of the week. Full cap charge for this year for the Club
That can mean 6.45 mil as taht is what Gomez would have cost in cap hit at home...after being waived.

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So to recap.

1. Team can buyout ONE player this year, if cap hit over 3 million.
2. Teams retain FULL cap hit for this year only. They do not get the 900k in savings they would have by keeping Gomez in the AHL and at home.
3. Players needs to clear waivers to be bought out. After which he is a UFA
4. Teams are relinquished of the cap hit after this season.
5. Player no longer counts against the 50 contract limit.

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That can mean 6.45 mil as taht is what Gomez would have cost in cap hit at home...after being waived.
No. Teams do not get any cap savings this year. ZERO. As per MacKenzie, Kypreos, Lebrun and Lavoie. Zero is Zero, not 900k.

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It sure would be nice if the old team was only responsible for the difference between the player's new salary and their original contract, assuming the player signs elsewhere.

Then there's something in it for the player, who gets the full value of the original contract, and the team, which gets a savings of some kind (likely to be minimal since neither guy is signing for big bucks this time around I trust). But it's something.

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So to recap.

1. Team can buyout players this year, if cap hit over 3 million.
2. Teams retain FULL cap hit for this year only. They do not get the 900k in savings they would have by keeping Gomez in the AHL and at home.
3. Players needs to clear waivers to be bought out. After which he is a UFA
4. Teams are relinquished of the cap hit after this season.
5. Player no longer counts against the 50 contract limit.
Once you waive a player and take him off your roster doesn't the cap hit drop by 900k at that point? ...so you can send him AHL/ECHL etc.

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Once you waive a player and take him off your roster doesn't the cap hit drop by 900k at that point? ...so you can send him AHL/ECHL etc.
It is no longer part of the agreement for this buy-out period. If you retain the player past Saturday you get the relief. If you buy him out prior to Saturday you get ZERO relief. Full Cap hit. I don't know how else you want me to phrase this.

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