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Amnesty Buy-Outs Allowable In-Season For Redden And Gomez

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01-15-2013, 02:26 PM
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I honestly do not think he would.

That was how bad Redden played for the Rangers the 2 years he was on the parent club.

His skating was no better than Bickel, his offence had disappeared and his compete level was nil.

Redden was helped immensely by the forwards holding up the forwards in the neutral zone prior to the last lockout and once we got back to playing again, he was exposed as a very slow footed poor positioned defenceman with no physicality to compensate for it.
His outlet pass, which was his calling card for years, was non-existant. That was the end of Redden being an effective NHL player. Once he lost that, he was nothing more than your average AHL call-up player.

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01-15-2013, 02:28 PM
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Please elaborate as to why the rangers should not have to have a cap hit for a player they are buying out? Im not mad, i just dont know why Rangers fans think they shouldnt have to be held accountable for it.

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Told that Bost, Tor, Fla, Ott have expressed at least preliminary interest in Redden..

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Please elaborate as to why the rangers should not have to have a cap hit for a player they are buying out? Im not mad, i just dont know why Rangers fans think they shouldnt have to be held accountable for it.
Frankly, compliance buy-outs should be allowable for this season (without counting to the cap) if they are going to be like that in the future. But all teams should be able to benefit from that, obviously. It seems arbitrary to have the hit count this year but not next year (or after).

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Told that Bost, Tor, Fla, Ott have expressed at least preliminary interest in Redden..
WTF? Toronto should be looking to amnesty buy out Komisarek, not add more dead weight.

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No he sucks, we have better AHL players.
i agree, hes 35 and can t skate anymore or provide offense. whats he good for?

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I would give gomez a try at the Flames camp if bought out he couldn't be much worse than our current centers.

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Please elaborate as to why the rangers should not have to have a cap hit for a player they are buying out? Im not mad, i just dont know why Rangers fans think they shouldnt have to be held accountable for it.
This was no cap circumventing contract that had 4-5 dead years at a million or less.

This was no contract designed to get the Rangers a better player while not having to answer to salary cap.

This was a contract that was mis-calculated in the sense that the team and player thought the previous 2 seasons of decline would be righted with a change of scenery.

Assigning a player to the minors happens EVERY DAY. The only difference is that for you, it's OK to send guys that make under a million to the minors because they could not cut it. But when that player makes 6 million, and clearly could not cut it, now you have a problem?

the only consistent issues here is that the player could not cut it.

Since they are allowing compliance buyouts, either let them do it today with no cap hit, or don't let them do it today and push it off to the summer, again, no cap hit.

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Yes.
Screw competition, lets just let GM's do whatever they want and never have the repercussions from it.

Listen, i get you think its unfair, but your GM made a stupid decision to sign Redden and your team should suffer, just as Calgary does with Stajan, Kotalik etc.

It would be complete BS if his cap didnt count.

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WTF? Toronto should be looking to amnesty buy out Komisarek, not add more dead weight.
You should know by now that Toronto's in on everybody.

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Told that Bost, Tor, Fla, Ott have expressed at least preliminary interest in Redden..
Interesting. Especially interesting considering Ian Mendes just tweeted:

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Have it on good authority that the Senators do not have any intention of signing Wade Redden at this point -- despite his history here


Larry Brooks is some kind of hack!

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You should know by now that Toronto's in on everybody.
I could understand if we were in on Gomez with how bad we are down the middle but Redden makes no sense.

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Updated story: As many as 5 teams have already shown preliminary interest in Gomez, all in the West (so far)...

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This was no cap circumventing contract that had 4-5 dead years at a million or less.

This was no contract designed to get the Rangers a better player while not having to answer to salary cap.

This was a contract that was mis-calculated in the sense that the team and player thought the previous 2 seasons of decline would be righted with a change of scenery.

Assigning a player to the minors happens EVERY DAY. The only difference is that for you, it's OK to send guys that make under a million to the minors because they could not cut it. But when that player makes 6 million, and clearly could not cut it, now you have a problem?

the only consistent issues here is that the player could not cut it.

Since they are allowing compliance buyouts, either let them do it today with no cap hit, or don't let them do it today and push it off to the summer, again, no cap hit.
Any money outside of a cap system is cap circumvention.
I mean, it's the direct meaning of circumvent

cir·cum·vent Pronunciation (sūrkm-vnt)
tr.v. cir·cum·vent·ed, cir·cum·vent·ing, cir·cum·vents
1. To surround (an enemy, for example); enclose or entrap.
2. To go around; bypass: circumvented the city.
3. To avoid or get around by artful maneuvering: She planned a way to circumvent all the bureaucratic red tape.

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01-15-2013, 03:01 PM
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Frankly, compliance buy-outs should be allowable for this season (without counting to the cap) if they are going to be like that in the future. But all teams should be able to benefit from that, obviously. It seems arbitrary to have the hit count this year but not next year (or after).
This is all just IMO - but the purpose of amnesty buy outs wasn't to give NHL teams a "get out of jail free" card for bad contracts, but rather give them options when the cap falls to $64.3M next year. Because the cap is still at $70M for this year, there was obviously no need to give the NHL teams that flexibility.

Obiously, just IMO, and YMMV.

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Would trade Redden for Komisarek and use amnesty on Komisarek after the season.

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gomez good on draws? welcome to anaheim, scotty.

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What about Bryz ?
That isn't happening. He'll have a better year and a long career as a Flyer. It's just too much money and it's not as if the guy is playing horribly. No way they do that. If they had a very good young goalie he was blocking, then it MIGHT be a possibility. They don't have anything of the sort though.

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This is all just IMO - but the purpose of amnesty buy outs wasn't to give NHL teams a "get out of jail free" card for bad contracts, but rather give them options when the cap falls to $64.3M next year. Because the cap is still at $70M for this year, there was obviously no need to give the NHL teams that flexibility.

Obiously, just IMO, and YMMV.
It's not just your opinion and further supported by how the accelerated buyout rule was created.

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Any money outside of a cap system is cap circumvention.
I mean, it's the direct meaning of circumvent

cir·cum·vent Pronunciation (sūrkm-vnt)
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1. To surround (an enemy, for example); enclose or entrap.
2. To go around; bypass: circumvented the city.
3. To avoid or get around by artful maneuvering: She planned a way to circumvent all the bureaucratic red tape.
So every team that spent to or close to the cap that had players of an salary in the minors was circumventing the cap?

Interesting.

The Rangers placed Redden in the minors because that's where he belonged.

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That isn't happening. He'll have a better year and a long career as a Flyer. It's just too much money and it's not as if the guy is playing horribly. No way they do that. If they had a very good young goalie he was blocking, then it MIGHT be a possibility. They don't have anything of the sort though.
He was playing terrible. If the Flyers get that kind of goaltending again, they're going to be a first round exit.

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He was playing terrible. If the Flyers get that kind of goaltending again they're going to get swept by Boston again.
I doubt they make the playoffs if he plays the way he played last year.

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Please elaborate as to why the rangers should not have to have a cap hit for a player they are buying out? Im not mad, i just dont know why Rangers fans think they shouldnt have to be held accountable for it.
We do have a cap hit for this year... where as if it was in the old CBA we could keep him buried with no cap hit. Essentially what your asking for is just to be UNFAIR to the Rangers of no reason other than your hatred of them.

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He was playing terrible. If the Flyers get that kind of goaltending again, they're going to be a first round exit.
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I doubt they make the playoffs if he plays the way he played last year.
I followed Bryz closely last year; he played a lot better the last 6 weeks or so. People forget about it because of the playoffs.

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