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01-15-2013, 04:47 PM
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Well back to the option of bringing in Gomez to be the 3rd line C?
Still open to this. Gotta think at this point Gomez will take any deal he can get to prove himself in the NHL again. Immediately gives the Rangers some of the best C depth in the league, and is a much better option in the top-6 than Boyle if God forbid Richards or Stepan go down.

I know we're in the minority here though, big time.

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Good luck to you Wade!

Kind of funny, in my NHL 13 Be a Pro season, Redden actually made the team and is leading the D in points after 10 games so far.

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Where do you guys think Redden will land?
On his couch.

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Still open to this. Gotta think at this point Gomez will take any deal he can get to prove himself in the NHL again. Immediately gives the Rangers some of the best C depth in the league, and is a much better option in the top-6 than Boyle if God forbid Richards or Stepan go down.

I know we're in the minority here though, big time.
I'm more bearish than you are, but I can see the value in it. For the reasons you gave and also its a faceoff option on the 2nd PP unit. Another PKer too.

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NHL and NHLPA have reached agreement on accelerated compliance buyouts. Will carry full cap charge for 2013 season.

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The hit will then come off the salary cap beginning this summer and the buyout will then revert to 2/3 spread out for remaining years

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#NYR So in Redden's case, team pays him 100% of salary owed this year. Full cap hit minus $ saved assigning him to AHL
I'm unclear. We take a full cap hit like a regular buyout? I thought this was supposed to be an amnesty buyout. i.e. no cap repercussions.

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I'm unclear. We take a full cap hit like a regular buyout? I thought this was supposed to be an amnesty buyout. i.e. no cap repercussions.
It's like we're using the amnesty buy-out this summer. $5.6 million cap-hit this year, none next season.

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I'm unclear. We take a full cap hit like a regular buyout? I thought this was supposed to be an amnesty buyout. i.e. no cap repercussions.
Cap hit of $5.6 this season, then he's off the books entirely this summer.

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So Redden and Gomez will be free to try and find a team this year? Correct?

Wow, NHL and NHLPA actually came up with a good idea.................

Maybe add Luongo to this list.

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No, they'd be off the hook for everything. You're thinking of reentry waivers, which were eliminated in the new CBA.
Sweet! Thanks man.

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I'm unclear. We take a full cap hit like a regular buyout? I thought this was supposed to be an amnesty buyout. i.e. no cap repercussions.
The NHL, for transition purposes, kept the Salary Cap artificially high at 70.2M this season. The two Amnesty Buy-Outs are meant to help teams get down to 64.3M next season and the year after. To allow teams to use their Amnesty Buy-Outs this season would be excessive and result in more overspending. Today was a fair compromise, allowing Redden and Gomez access to the market while giving the Rangers and Canadiens a way to shed a dead contract from their 50 man limit. Under the existing rules, the Rangers would have felt Redden's cap hit whether he was playing for the Rangers, the Whale, or sitting on his couch eating Popchips. Today is a win win for everyone.

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Been thinking about this a little........Question?

What is the incentive for the Rangers and probably even more so the Canadians to do these players a favour?

Can't see Redden really coming back to hurt the Rangers but what if Montreal bought out Gomezthis week...... he went back to Jersey and then played a huge part in knocking out the Canadians in the first round?

Montreal GM would have some explaining to do for this "nice gesture".

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Been thinking about this a little........Question?

What is the incentive for the Rangers and probably even more so the Canadians to do these players a favour?

Can't see Redden really coming back to hurt the Rangers but what if Montreal bought out Gomezthis week...... he went back to Jersey and then played a huge part in knocking out the Canadians in the first round?

Montreal GM would have some explaining to do for this "nice gesture".
I'm relatively certain that the NHLPA has a legitimate grievance when these players are told to stay at home.

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I'm relatively certain that the NHLPA has a legitimate grievance when these players are told to stay at home.
So you're suggesting these two teams hand is being forced and have no choice?

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So you're suggesting these two teams hand is being forced and have no choice?
I'm saying that a union grievance filing might have forced the NHL and NHLPA to come up with a way for this situation to not happen anyway. Or it would have forced the teams to actually employ the player on the ice, even if it were in the AHL.

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I'm saying that a union grievance filing might have forced the NHL and NHLPA to come up with a way for this situation to not happen anyway. Or it would have forced the teams to actually employ the player on the ice, even if it were in the AHL.
Can't image the union I was part of putting in a grievance because company was paying but not making me work.....

I'm hoping Montreal doesn't go for it, I don't want to see Gomez in a Devils jersey.

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It's to the Rangers benefit also because now we don't have to worry about him getting injured. Whether we buy him out now or in the summer, he's still going to cost 5.6 mil against our cap this year. Better to be rid of him as soon as possible.

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It's to the Rangers benefit also because now we don't have to worry about him getting injured. Whether we buy him out now or in the summer, he's still going to cost 5.6 mil against our cap this year. Better to be rid of him as soon as possible.
Sitting him all season also guarantees he won't have an on ice injury.

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Can't image the union I was part of putting in a grievance because company was paying but not making me work.....

I'm hoping Montreal doesn't go for it, I don't want to see Gomez in a Devils jersey.
Actually, your company is forcing you to not work, which isn't at all the same thing.

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Actually, your company is forcing you to not work, which isn't at all the same thing.
His company is the Rangers, or the Canadians forcing him not to work. Not sure how that's any different.

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His company is the Rangers, or the Canadians forcing him not to work. Not sure how that's any different.
Putting the player out of work for the year, even had that work been in the AHL, would be seen as severely damaging the player's future earnings potential. If the intention is to terminate the player's contract through a buy out, of which there is no doubt that this is the intention in this situation, then not allowing him to either showcase for future employers or change employers poses a potential problem from a legal point of view. The employee is ready, willing and able to work. The mechanisms of the CBA, and nothing else, are preventing it. It's a legitimate grounds for a grievance. Whether or not the NHLPA would win or not is another issue, but I have a feeling they would.

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Letting Redden walk allows the Rangers to add a usable player to the Reserve List. It also avoids unnecessary bad PR. It could also be argued that this shines some positive light on the organization when UFA's consider their options in the future.

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Still open to this. Gotta think at this point Gomez will take any deal he can get to prove himself in the NHL again. Immediately gives the Rangers some of the best C depth in the league, and is a much better option in the top-6 than Boyle if God forbid Richards or Stepan go down.

I know we're in the minority here though, big time.
I don't think the fans would embrace Gomez and it would become a mess. Even if he were brought in as a no. 3 center / PP playmaker and not expected to do much else. The guy was a bust so it's not like we would be bringing back someone like Kovalev back in '03.

No thanks.

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The NHL, for transition purposes, kept the Salary Cap artificially high at 70.2M this season. The two Amnesty Buy-Outs are meant to help teams get down to 64.3M next season and the year after. To allow teams to use their Amnesty Buy-Outs this season would be excessive and result in more overspending. Today was a fair compromise, allowing Redden and Gomez access to the market while giving the Rangers and Canadiens a way to shed a dead contract from their 50 man limit. Under the existing rules, the Rangers would have felt Redden's cap hit whether he was playing for the Rangers, the Whale, or sitting on his couch eating Popchips. Today is a win win for everyone.
thanks for the clarification everyone!

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I don't think the fans would embrace Gomez and it would become a mess. Even if he were brought in as a no. 3 center / PP playmaker and not expected to do much else. The guy was a bust so it's not like we would be bringing back someone like Kovalev back in '03.

No thanks.

Yeah, wouldn't want him. Still, Gomez signing and returning to win a cup with NYR would be a nice twist.

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