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01-16-2013, 10:49 AM
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The rumor is being kicked around about Gonchar coming back to the Pens. I for one, would love to see it. I know the rumor has been squashed by a good bit of people, but with Ottawa losing its' third D-pairing, what are the chances they add by subtracting?

Here's what I was thinking:

To PIT: Sergei Gonchar

To OTT: Ben Lovejoy, Brian Strait

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01-16-2013, 10:51 AM
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Fill a hole in the bottom pairing by making a hole in the second pairing...

I'm in.

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sens probably need something to replace gonchar ,no chance they ship gonchar off for nothing short of a replacement as cowan and someone else(I may be wrong) is hurt

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01-16-2013, 10:57 AM
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Not sure Pens need Gonchar but I doubt Sens want to replace Gonchar with two #6/7 Dmen.

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It has been discussed before..


Even I as a pen fan have to say, that this offer is not good enough.

Why should Ottawa trade their 2nd best PP d-man and see their chances to make the PO decrease.

They may trade him, but that will be at the Deadline.

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01-16-2013, 11:01 AM
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I figured it wouldn't be enough or enticing enough to snatch Gonchar, but it would definitely be a start to bring him back. It's two solid defensemen that have had moments in the NHL, one can be a decent puck mover and the other might turn out to be Scuderi-esque both at low cap hits at the expense of an aging, overpaid Gonchar, not much risk in this move at all.

I think it would take a little more to get the deal done, but just figured there would be something to get it going.

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01-16-2013, 11:14 AM
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I figured it wouldn't be enough or enticing enough to snatch Gonchar, but it would definitely be a start to bring him back. It's two solid defensemen that have had moments in the NHL, one can be a decent puck mover and the other might turn out to be Scuderi-esque both at low cap hits at the expense of an aging, overpaid Gonchar, not much risk in this move at all.

I think it would take a little more to get the deal done, but just figured there would be something to get it going.
No it's not a start.

It's crap.

Strait is not NHL caliber and Lovejoy arguably isn't either.

If the Sens wanted crap players like that, they could sign just about anyone if free agency. A guy like Kent Huskins is better than those 2 players.

The Sens have equivalent or better d-man on their AHL team like Benoit, Borowiecki, Gryba and even Eckford. Horrible proposal.

You WILL have to give something of value, because Gonchar is valuable. There's no way around it.

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01-16-2013, 11:16 AM
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why is Strait not NHL calibre? He's been one of the better defensive dmen in the AHL for the past few seasons.

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01-16-2013, 11:18 AM
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why is Strait not NHL calibre? He's been one of the better defensive dmen in the AHL for the past few seasons.
You can go ahead and keep him then, the Sens don't want anything to do with him.

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I guess I wouldn't mind getting Gonch back but the price would most certainly be too high. Gonch as a rental could get a solid return (much, much better than being offered here) but I'd rather Shero not pay that price.

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It has been discussed before..


Even I as a pen fan have to say, that this offer is not good enough.

Why should Ottawa trade their 2nd best PP d-man and see their chances to make the PO decrease.

They may trade him, but that will be at the Deadline.
Very, very well said.

Ottawa probably keeps Sarge until the deadline, trades him if we are out of it, keeps him if we are in it. We can run with Karlsson, Methot, Phillips, Gonchar, and AHL callups and/or a cheap UFA to fill in until Lundin is back.

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01-16-2013, 11:38 AM
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Also, Wiercioch has served his time in the AHL and deserves that #5-6 spot to start the season. Murray and McLean both seem to be happy with his development. In fact he could be paired with Gonchar in the #3-4 spot since he has the skating and skill. He just is not all that strong even for a 6'4" 200lb dude.

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01-16-2013, 11:52 AM
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What about Strait and another prospect or pick for Mike Hoffman?

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01-16-2013, 12:12 PM
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What about Strait and another prospect or pick for Mike Hoffman?
I'd probably do that, Hoffman is great and all but we just have so many other offensive prospects. Perhaps even straight up Hoffman for a d-prospect

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01-16-2013, 12:21 PM
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If I were the Sens, I would seriously consider an offer of Orpik and Strait for Gonchar. Not sure if that is too rich for the Pens though.

I was personally very unimpressed with Gonchar last season.

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01-16-2013, 12:24 PM
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If I were the Sens, I would seriously consider an offer of Orpik and Strait for Gonchar. Not sure if that is too rich for the Pens though.

I was personally very unimpressed with Gonchar last season.
Pens wouldn't move Orpik for Gonch. Brooks is worth much more than a few months of Gonchar.

Orpik is our 'Chris Phillips' so think what you'd want for Phillips and that's what we'd want for Orpik.

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01-16-2013, 12:27 PM
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No way. We need our defenseman. Period.

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01-16-2013, 12:33 PM
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I'll pass. Our power play is fine. We need someone who can actually play defense.

I think the Senators should trade Gonchar because I don't believe they're going to make the playoffs again, but they can find better trading partners.

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01-16-2013, 12:59 PM
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I'll pass. Our power play is fine. We need someone who can actually play defense.

I think the Senators should trade Gonchar because I don't believe they're going to make the playoffs again, but they can find better trading partners.
We normally like to play with 4 forwards anyway.

About not making the playoffs, is this what you predicted last year as well?

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We normally like to play with 4 forwards anyway.

About not making the playoffs, is this what you predicted last year as well?
Ottawa had career years from many players last year. Are you betting all those players have back to back career years? Fringe playoff team that probably makes it.

I DNW Gonchar. Pens cannot afford to add his D play to their already weak D play.

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01-16-2013, 01:24 PM
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What about Strait and another prospect or pick for Mike Hoffman?
No thanks. Hoffman has a chance to be a 2nd or 3rd liner. Strait at best is a bottom pairing.

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01-16-2013, 01:36 PM
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Ottawa had career years from many players last year. Are you betting all those players have back to back career years? Fringe playoff team that probably makes it.

I DNW Gonchar. Pens cannot afford to add his D play to their already weak D play.
I'm not sure what you're talking about. Karlsson was right on par with his phenomenal developmental curve. Others were back to where they were before they were troubled with injuries and/or affected by a couple years of bad coaching.

I am not going to argue with your second point but he was more than adequate with us last year while paired with Jared Cowen.

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I really don't see a need nor do I want to see Gonch on the Pens. Like what he did for us but not now.

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Unless we're getting Chris Neil....NO.

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No thanks. Hoffman has a chance to be a 2nd or 3rd liner. Strait at best is a bottom pairing.
Realistically, what would it take to get Hoffman?

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