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01-16-2013, 11:07 AM
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Penguins/Leafs

Pens get:

MacArthur


Leafs get:

Niskanen
3rd


Why would the pens do that?

I know their defense has holes, but I'm sure Martin will be back at full strength. I'm sure he has worked his ass off this off season.

So the pens could still roll:

Letang-Engelland
Martin-Orpik
Strait-Depres

while maybe fixs the winger problem for all time.



I would also offer:

one of our top D prospects not named Morrow or Depres and a 2nd for MacArthur.

Edit: my 2nd offer is way over the top. It should be something like a 2nd+3rd.


Let's not forget that we have at least 3 nhl ready top D prospects to throw into the mixs. If we never give them a chance, they'll never pay off.


Thoughts?


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01-16-2013, 11:11 AM
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Definitely not, any trade which puts Engelland on the top pairing is a no go.

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01-16-2013, 11:13 AM
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Definitely not, any trade which puts Engelland on the top pairing is a no go.
You could also put him down to the 2nd or 3rd line, it was just a propose, how the defense may look. You could also roll:


Letang-Orpik
Martin-Morrow
Despres-Engelland

if that makes u feel better.

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01-16-2013, 11:15 AM
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I'd do it. Mainly because of the heavy logjam we have at wing and the weakness we have of right d-men.

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You could also put him down to the 2nd or 3rd line, it was just a propose, how the defense may look. You could also roll:


Letang-Orpik
Martin-Morrow
Despres-Engelland

if that makes u feel better.
Id say
Letang-Depres
Orpik-Martin
Engelland/Bortuzzo/Lovejoy is more likely

I dont mind the trade, but id rather have kulemin than mccarthur

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01-16-2013, 11:15 AM
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I wouldn't give even a 3rd rounder for MacArthur.

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01-16-2013, 11:17 AM
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You could also put him down to the 2nd or 3rd line, it was just a propose, how the defense may look. You could also roll:


Letang-Orpik
Martin-Morrow
Despres-Engelland

if that makes u feel better.
Having Morrow and Despres on the team this year doesn't make me feel better. If anything the Pens need to add a top 4 dmen not deal one for an ok 2nd line winger.

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The last thing the Leafs need is more D.

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I wouldn't give even a 3rd rounder for MacArthur.
He has had back to back 20 goals seasons, scoring over 100 poins during that time span. He could really help our team.

The only problem I see is, that his shoot side is left.

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Having Morrow and Despres on the team this year doesn't make me feel better. If anything the Pens need to add a top 4 dmen not deal one for an ok 2nd line winger.
Why not give them a chance and get another top 4 d-man at the deadline, if they flop.

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01-16-2013, 11:31 AM
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Why not give them a chance and get another top 4 d-man at the deadline, if they flop.
too short a season to risk it, you could be on the outside looking in by the deadline. Morrow's still adjusting to the AHL so throwing him into the NHL just seems irresponsible.

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01-16-2013, 11:32 AM
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I wouldn't give even a 3rd rounder for MacArthur.
Are you sure you know which MacArthur he's talking about?

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By your proposal, Id gladly take Matta or Pouliot for MacArthur

More realistically Nisnkanen or Harrington would be ideal.

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Are you sure you know which MacArthur he's talking about?
Yes I do.

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too short a season to risk it, you could be on the outside looking in by the deadline. Morrow's still adjusting to the AHL so throwing him into the NHL just seems irresponsible.
We'll make the PO's with or without Niskanen..

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We'll make the PO's with or without Niskanen..
So? Same can be said about MacArthur.

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So? Same can be said about MacArthur.
No question about that. I just wanted to make clear, that we can afford to loose Niskanen.

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01-16-2013, 11:38 AM
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So? Same can be said about MacArthur.
Instead of constantly giving one-line answers, why don't you rationalize why you wouldn't want MacArthur so people stop jumping all over your post.

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01-16-2013, 11:43 AM
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Instead of constantly giving one-line answers, why don't you rationalize why you wouldn't want MacArthur so people stop jumping all over your post.
People are now jumping all over my post? Huh?

Why I wouldn't want MacArthur? Because I don't see him as an upgrade over TK and I would also rather give Bennett and Tangradi a shot in the top-6 than have MacArthur. Also the offer OP proposed is hugely favoring the Leafs.

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People are now jumping all over my post? Huh?

Why I wouldn't want MacArthur? Because I don't see him as an upgrade over TK and I would also rather give Bennett and Tangradi a shot in the top-6 than have MacArthur. Also the offer OP proposed is hugely favoring the Leafs.

Maybe my offer is too good, that might be the case. But I think that MacArthur is a great player to have and he has much much more skill than TK. He hits nearly as much as TK, and I would say his speed is at least as good as Tylers. But then again he has way way more skill. He could be the perfect 3rd guy on a line with one of our top guns. He also has 14% shooting over his career while TK has just 8%. Come on wouldn't you like to see a guy that doesn't shoot every time in the GK chest.

I think that he would be a great fit here. What we had to give for him is a different story. I would like to see what you (leafs) fans would ask for.

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01-16-2013, 12:13 PM
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I wouldn't give even a 3rd rounder for MacArthur.
TSN reported last trade deadline contending teams offered a 1st for him. Burke was also asked and confirmed it's true.

I think MacArthur isn't worth a 1st myself, but worth more than "not even a 3rd"

Physical two-way guy.

21 goals 62 points in 82 games
then
20 goals and 43 points in 72 games (on pace for 23 goals and 48 points)

That's legit, secondary scoring.

Plus he's got some grit to him and good two-way game.

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TSN reported last trade deadline contending teams offered a 1st for him. Burke was also asked and confirmed it's true.

I think MacArthur isn't worth a 1st myself, but worth more than "not even a 3rd"

Physical two-way guy.

21 goals 62 points in 82 games
then
20 goals and 43 points in 72 games (on pace for 23 goals and 48 points)

That's legit, secondary scoring.

Plus he's got some grit to him and good two-way game.

So then its true, Brian Burke is a worse GM than we all thought.

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01-16-2013, 12:20 PM
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TSN reported last trade deadline contending teams offered a 1st for him. Burke was also asked and confirmed it's true.

I think MacArthur isn't worth a 1st myself, but worth more than "not even a 3rd"

Physical two-way guy.

21 goals 62 points in 82 games
then
20 goals and 43 points in 72 games (on pace for 23 goals and 48 points)

That's legit, secondary scoring.

Plus he's got some grit to him and good two-way game.
Not to mention that MacArthur was playing on a line where his right-winger scored seven goals so his stats took an even larger hit but because Kulemin is defensively tight, it was MacArthur that saw third and fourth line minutes.

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So then its true, Brian Burke is a worse GM than we all thought.
He was a year removed from a 62 point season and on pace to break 50 again. The team asking for his services was likely within the 25-30 range so the 1st wasnt extremely valueable....

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So then its true, Brian Burke is a worse GM than we all thought.
You have to remember this was when the Leafs weren't too far removed from playoff contention.

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